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Smoking Under Fire Near KDMC in Central Park Save Email Print
Posted: 10:22 PM Jul 30, 2008
Last Updated: 10:22 PM Jul 30, 2008
Reporter: Dave Benton
Email Address: dave.benton@wsaz.com

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ASHLAND, Ky. (WSAZ) -- Smokers are finding they can't just light up anywhere these days, and that could potentially include parts of Ashland Central Park.

On Tuesday night, Ashland mayoral candidates debated whether or not smoking should be allowed at one end of Central Park because of the litter and air pollution some people say it creates.

Steven Bailey is what some people might call a health nut; he even jogged in place during this interview.

"I'd love to see a ban," he said. "(Smoking) affects who is exercising."

About two years ago, King's Daughters Medical Center started a smoking ban inside the hospital and around the surrounding property. That's forcing many smokers to go across the street to the east end of Central Park, and it's causing quite a controversy.

There's talk of banning smoking in Central Park, which would please Bailey. He says the smoke affects his daily run.

"Sometimes when I pass somebody smoking, I have to focus harder, and it takes my breath away," he said.

While Bailey is not alone in supporting a smoking ban in parts of the park, others such as Theresa Stager said other issues need to be addressed. Stager, who works at KDMC, said she believes the city should clean up the cigarette butts, especially where the receptacles are overflowing. But she said smoking should be allowed.

"As far as joggers, there are paths everywhere," Stager said. "It's not like they're forced to come through here."

One mayoral candidate said designated areas near the hospital would help solve a problem that many say is taking away their rights. The mayoral candidates who favor a ban on public smoking in Central Park are Paula Hogsten and Chris Hammond. They also are the two who would like to see designated smoking areas. The other candidate, Tom Kelley, also supports a ban, but he is concerned how it would be enforced.

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Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 8, 2008 at 10:29 AM
IF EVERYONE WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT DRUGS AND ALCOHOL AS MUCH AS YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT CIGARETTS MAYBE SOMETHING WOULD BE DONE ABOUT THE DRUGGIES AND DRUNKS. THE EPIDEMIC OF DRUGS AND ALCOHOL ARE WAY MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES TO DISCUSS AND FIND SOLUTIONS FOR. WHY NOT MAKE A REAL STAND AND FIGHT AGAINST THE DRUG AND ALCOHOL PROBLEM WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY????????

Posted by: anon on Aug 7, 2008 at 05:10 PM
Why don't the smokers just go to their cars, roll up their windows, and smoke as much as they please. True, it is their choice to smoke and it is their right, but if they choose to do so they should at least be able to contain it so the rest of us don't have to deal with it. If you choose to kill yourself smoking, do it, just don't plan on taking the rest of us with you!!!!

Posted by: m on Aug 5, 2008 at 09:14 AM
When are the non-smokers going to get off our backs. I think the City of Ashland is discriminating against smokers. The last time I heard this was a free country. Ashland is turning into a foreign country. I say all smokers should boycott ashland and do business elsewhere. We may not have freedom to smoke there, but we have freedom to shop and do business where we want. Lets take from them something that they think they have the right to do and see what happens. My husband is an "AMERICAN SOLDIER" who serves so we can be free. Free to do what we want. The National Guard Armory should be moved from Ashland since they don't believe in FREEDOM.

Posted by: I agree on Aug 4, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Here is all your answers about KDMC. First the patients are supposed to sighn a form when they leave the floor. The nurse is supposed to take there I.V out and then put another back in when they return, some pt do not tell there nurses and they sneek off the floor. Second i agree all the cig butts is awful at the park. they (smokers) should have more respect than that. third Why didnt they make the park non-smoking when they passed the ban? Also there is alot of rude people who work for the hospital but did you ever think that maybe just maybe they are overworked, underpaid, and treated like dirt by their precious employer. Kdmc has got the city by the shirt tail. everyone knows that. money talks as we have always been told. and finally if the people want to smoke let them thats there god given right oh thats right all of our rights in america are slowly being stripped from us, before we know it we will be living in the home of the communist and not the home of the FREE...

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 4, 2008 at 09:51 PM
Mr. Obvious, pardon me for not being up on my slang. I tend to lean more toward the official English language. Nowhere did I say that my rights were more important or better, just merely stating that no one's rights should infringe on any one else's.

Posted by: mark on Aug 4, 2008 at 12:24 PM
this is what's wrong with our country now too many nosey busy bodies worried about what the other person is doing ,it is discrimination,and most of the complaners are perfect people they would never do anything this trashy????

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 4, 2008 at 06:27 AM
I don't hear anyone complaining about the money..you know,the money these people spend for each pack of smokes they buy...that has paid for alot of things statewide...when are the non-smokers going to pick up they're share of the costs? .....In other words,if you are not part of the solution,you are part of the problem.

Posted by: MrObvious on Aug 3, 2008 at 08:50 PM
Tripe: 2. Slang. something, esp. speech or writing, that is false or worthless; rubbish. Source, dictionary.com

Posted by: MrObvious on Aug 3, 2008 at 08:46 PM
Oh my gosh, someone doesn't know the definition of tripe. The word selection was correct. I suggest you look up tripe, it is NOT a typo. Now, holier was a typo, my bad. And yes, I do have a problem with your argument. You put your rights ahead of everyone elses and attempt to justify them by saying it is for health or whatever. No matter what you say, you have no more rights, no better rights, or more important rights, period. Now, get a dictionary and look up the word "tripe".

Posted by: It does not matter on Aug 3, 2008 at 06:51 PM
As a nurse in another town, I belive the nurse that has been at KDMC for 20 years, you should find that other nurse and have her removed. I can not believe she said she hope their tank blows up. Shame on you!

Posted by: not so obvious on Aug 3, 2008 at 03:15 PM
Mr. obvious, it's holier, not "hollier" and trip, not "tripe. I though that since I had been labled a know-it-all, I might as well be one : ) Also, paying taxes doesn't give anyone the right to do anything that poses a health risk to others. Is that really so hard to comprehend? As I said before, I couldn't care less what others do as long as it doesn't affect me or my children. Pretty simple concept- you would think. It's the same as alcohol. I don't care if others drink, but when they can harm others, drinking and driving and other violence, then it infringes on the rights of others. The potential harm of second hand smoke is real, especially within younger and older populations. I think that if people would use some common courtesy, there would be no issue. Do you have an argument with that Mr. obvious.

Posted by: im a nurse on Aug 3, 2008 at 03:08 PM
this is to kdmc er nurse, im also a nurse @ kdmc and have been for 20 yrs. im also a nonsmoker. you need to have your license revoked! if i find out who you are i will do all i can to make sure your job security is taken away. I was taught medical ethics. why werent you? the majority rules with ethics not your oppinion! have some compassion. as a nurse your must have that quality. well, a good nurse.

Posted by: jim on Aug 3, 2008 at 01:50 PM
I don't have a problem with people smoking in the park, but the one thing that upsets almost everyone is all the butts left on the grounds. Smoke if you want, but dispose of you butts.

Posted by: MrObvious on Aug 3, 2008 at 01:24 AM
That's what I love about people with the "hollier than thou" attitude, you can always count on them to bring kids into the argument or some other emotional tripe. I never once advocated "teachers smoking in classrooms" or whatever you attempted to say about doctors & nurses. I said that non-smokers have no more rights than smokers, period. I also advocated smoking areas, and I don't care where they are. The problem is, even if the smokers have a designated area, you whiny know-it-alls will attempt to close that too. The smokers have chosen, by being kicked off KDMC property, to go to a PUBLIC place, in this case, the corner of the park, and smoke. They have as much right to smoke there as you do to walk, run, play ball, pass the frisbee, pass gas, whatever. Your rights do not trump all others. Get that through your thick skull. Oh, and I do not smoke and will not force you to light up. I also will not tell you not to. It's your choice. I pay taxes and I vote, same rights as you, no more

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 2, 2008 at 10:57 PM
geez i've never seen a bigger bunch of cry-babies!!!! Yes you have the right to be a non-smoker. I am a non-smoker and thats my choice. You also have the ability to walk away when you see people smoking, what you lack is the intelligence! Quit whining and find something better to do with your time. You want to complain about people smoking on ONE corner of the park but you don't wanna complain about factory pollution...get real! I understand that if people are littering or just throwing their butts down that something needs to be done and thats a different issue. But to complain because the smoke is hurting your delicate little bodies is just stupid.Most of you complaining are probably hundreds of pounds overweight. Maybe i should go complain because you're too ugly and fat to look at and the sight of you is hurting my delicate eyes! GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!!!!!! The park is huge!!!!

Posted by: Ban Supporter on Aug 2, 2008 at 10:29 PM
I wish that there was a smoking ban in more places!

Posted by: ITown on Aug 2, 2008 at 09:55 PM
KDMC ER Nurse, its people like you that make us go to the other hospital. Everyone is rude at KDMC. The care in the ER is terrible. So put that in your pipe and smoke it! Don't worry, your will never get your paycheck from me.

Posted by: cashmere on Aug 2, 2008 at 09:29 PM
I don't understand why patients going out for a smoke are allowed to bring their IV stands with them. I can see KDMC not being able to stop them from leaving, but can't they stop their equipment? what if they tripped and those IV bags burst all over the place. No matter how harmless the solution is, it could be considered a biohazard. and then the city gets sued for uneven sidewalks. If you are in the hospital as a patient, stay in the hospital or go home!

Posted by: KY on Aug 2, 2008 at 08:45 PM
KDMC ER NURSE: YOU SOUND LIKE A VERY RUDE PERSON & I WOULDN'T WANT YOU TO BE MY NURSE. I AM A SMOKER BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME ANY LESS OF A PERSON THAN ANYONE ELSE. IF YOU FEEL THAT HARSH ABOUT SOMEONE THAT SMOKES MAYBE YOU SHOULD CONSIDER FINDING ANOTHER JOB.

Posted by: Rob on Aug 2, 2008 at 08:18 PM
To: Posted by: TO Rob on Aug 2, 2008 at 12:28 AM Actually, I am a non-smoker. I just think if you are a believer in God then you have to believe he gave us tobacco and other things for a reason....he didn't put them here to kill us, now it's time for the ol' Devil tempted Eve with an apple bit to start....maybe tobacco is the apple of the last couple centuries or so.

Posted by: Michelle on Aug 2, 2008 at 06:59 PM
As a non smoker who frequently uses Central Park, I favor with the jogger. When you pass through smoking alley it is really bothersome to non smokers. Especially to runners who are trying to keep their heart rate up. Nonsmokers are not used to the pollution that the smokers fill their lungs with. If the smokers think it's that great let them go to their cars and smoke. As far as making the city pick up the nasty cigarette butts, take a soda can with you and pick up after yourself. Why should people have to pick up after you! That's disgusting! And TOM, I had a good friend die in a car wreck trying to pick up a cigarette. She swerved in front of a tractor trailer and was killed. Her family wishes she had never smoked. I know this is America and we all have rights. I have a right to be healthy and what you do should not interfere with that. If it does then it should not be tolerated in public. Central Park is not an ash tray. Please use it as it is intended.

Posted by: Melissa on Aug 2, 2008 at 06:38 PM
well first all i want to say is if we cant smoke in our park then..let make Ashland "or Bagdad ky" stop selling all alcohol and anything else that people enjoy here. lets see how many people would live here then.i mean really people lets get real.you cant tell us what to do.i believe the only reason that the ban went through in resturants is because we let it for respect of others we are all not rude and we dont blow the smoke in your face so why not just leave us alone and find someone else to pick on for a while.we gave u an inch and you are tring to take a mile.

Posted by: melissa on Aug 2, 2008 at 06:25 PM
I live in Ashland and i would be really upset if they put a ban on smoking in public placeslike the park.I am a smoker and i will get all of my friends and their friends and so on to go to the park the day the ban is in effect and we will all light up....Well for that matter anyone who lives in ashlandand smokes will be welcome to come if this happens.for all those who do not smoke how about we tell you that you can't go to starbuck and get coffee and take it out side. i bet they wont like that will they.i really think that this is going WAY to far..the wind carries the smoke away. so why dont all you non smoker just CRY A LITTLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we have rights to. this is just asking for a lawsuit and i may be the one to do it.

Posted by: Logic? on Aug 2, 2008 at 06:22 PM
Sure, smokers have rights. We all have the right to bear arms too. So, should we build a firing range in the park? Uh...I don't think so.

Posted by: Kendra on Aug 2, 2008 at 05:05 PM
I agree with Mr. Bailey. I have small children, and we can't even use that area of the park due to the smoke. They used to love going to see the fountain, but now we can't even go near it. The park should used for getting some "fresh air" and excercising not for a smoke break.

Posted by: al on Aug 2, 2008 at 03:11 PM
i think something needs to be done on that corner, i have been by there and it looks like a landfill of butts and trash, the smokers should look at how they leave things and they might not be as many bans going on today, i don't leave trash in our park so you shouldn't either, not to mention it's bad for the planet

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 2, 2008 at 02:42 PM
You win Mr. Obvious, you're right, maybe we should let everyone who wants to smoke, smoke wherever they please. If a teacher wants to smoke in her classroom, she should have that right; If a doctor in the operating room, or a nurse coming to give you meds, etc. That's not insane is it? Is it really such a Nazi idea to designate a place for smokers that truly only affects the smokers? If so, then I am certifiable. I couldn't care less what other people do as long as it doesn't have a negative effect on me or my children. I would just appreciate the choice of whether or not I would like to smoke.

Posted by: Old Professional on Aug 2, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Ms. KDMC ER “person”…After thirty-four years of employment with a major medical facility, I believe I can state that your comments are most vile to ALL patients and with compassion such as yours, perhaps you should find another profession. I was taught to treat ALL patients and visitors with kindness and dignity; but then I am from the “Old School”.

Posted by: non-smoker on Aug 2, 2008 at 12:29 PM
I think we should try and respect each others rights, as far as smoking, and non smoking. as for the jogger, if that little smoke in the park botherd him that much, then he will no doubt end up living in a bubble for sure someday. i think he is full of beans. please excuse my bad spelling.

Posted by: Emphysema Patient on Aug 2, 2008 at 10:00 AM
I understand that smokers have a hard time with the present public feelings on smoking. It isn't easy to give up something you love and are hooked on. You see, I have that same problem, only in my case it's breathing. I'm quite addicted to it! My parents were very heavy smokers that never opened a window. By age 6 I had pneumonia and the start of lung problems. Now I am 55 and on oxygen quite often along with a host of medications. Certainly not my choice of lifestyle, but it's what I'm stuck with. All I ask is that those who smoke understand that for some of us, their smoking is damaging lungs that have already been damaged due to no fault of our own. Would you care to have to just stay home all the time because people really don't care if you can breathe, or if they are hastening you to a miserable death gasping for air? I watched my dad die of lung cancer and my mom from pneumonia. It isn't pretty folks. Please try to understand that breathing is a harder habit to break.

Posted by: Clyde on Aug 2, 2008 at 09:56 AM
Remember that song..." Smoke,smoke,smoke that cigarette. Smoke,smoke,smoke 'til you smoke yourself to death. Tell Saint Peter at the golden gate, you'll just have to make him wait, cause you just gotta have another cigarette!"

Posted by: rights? on Aug 2, 2008 at 09:29 AM
i am a non smoker and have never smoked, however growing up my parents smoked and has caused me several medical conditions in my life, being a smoker is a choice and yes some of your rights might have been taken away, you have the right to choose to smoke, i have the right not to, but i don't have the right to say i don't want it around me? well why don't we just make murder legal, cause that is what you are doing. I don't think KDMC should in anyway provide a place for smokers in fact they should make it impossible for workers and Patients to smoke while at the hospital. as for the park under the ashland smoking ban it should already be included, since it is a place of employment, thier are workers that have to mow the grass, pick up all the trash left over from the selfish smokers, sure don't see many smokers walking the park oh wait they would need to bring thier oxygene tank with them and still try to smoke, smokers get a life cause your not taking mine down with you

Posted by: anon.:-() on Aug 2, 2008 at 12:42 AM
I have read some of the comments on here-yes, I am a smoker - yes, we should have our own spot to smoke - no, I don't think that it is right for people (smokers) to throw the butts down. For the people who are complaining that we are giving them job security- hunny, if you don't like your job-quit and flip burgers for all I care! We have rights also! Have you ever thought that we might not smoke as much if it wasn't for people like yourself nagging us(the smokers)so much! yes, eventually, smoking will probably kill us, so can a fast moving car with a drunk behind the wheel! Everyone wants to ban a smoker, tell you what- ban bars and alcohol-then you'd be outta business! Quit whinning! What if we (the smoker) decides to go to another hospital? Where's your job security?

Posted by: cee on Aug 2, 2008 at 12:42 AM
KDMC ER NURSE- such compassion!! BILL- smokers are taxpayers too! Jj- LOL. I agree! Lets watch and see if the jogger wears speedos, it would offend me, can I complain? GS, my park too! keep it clean, sit and have a smoke! OLD PROFFESSIONAL- AMEN! I keep wondering how many PROS come to work inscrubs that have dofg or cat hair all over them!Talk about allergies! Maybe scrubs should be left at work and only put on after the employee has showered at work,,, bet that would step on some toes! JAY- ok so you think think all smokers are lower class people! got your point! you need to get off your highhorse, might have a few more friends! anonymous- did you actually count up all the spelling errors between smokers and non-smokers? How many times did you spell check before you commented?

Posted by: cee on Aug 2, 2008 at 12:30 AM
I hope the jogger isnt driving when he sees someone smoking! If he is that easily disracted he could cause an accident!

Posted by: TO Rob on Aug 2, 2008 at 12:28 AM
To Rob......What? Rob, maybe you might want to lay off of the "Beans" "Tea" "Marijuana" and "Ginseng" I thought all that stuff was to "mello u out" I'm pretty sure that God didn't want us to role these "special plants" up and smoke it though. But the next time your lit-n one up ...ask him! LOL, Thanks for the laugh. Hey, God also made mushrooms.

Posted by: KDMC ER Nurse on Aug 1, 2008 at 11:11 PM
To all the smokers: I just want to say thank you. Thank you for giving me job security. I get a huge adrenaline rush every time my doc puts a tube down your throat to keep you breathing! Thank you for increasing my insurance premiums every year, while you sit at home on medicaid smoking your two packs per day. I hope your free oxygen tank blows up while you puff away on your cigarettes, in between your puffs on your free nebulizer and inhaler. But, when you "get paid" on the first, I'm sure everything will be okay! To those running for mayor: Smoking kills more people and cost this country more money each and every year. How many marajuana related deaths were reported last year, in comparison to cigarette smoking related deaths??? If marajuana is illegal, so should tobacco!!! Now what, haters?!

Posted by: kaccee on Aug 1, 2008 at 06:21 PM
i dont think that it is right that kings dauhters wants to build there hospital up and want to make it big but yet they wont put a designated smoking area for thr patients and the works thy have to go to the park or they have to go to the corner near the emergency room i dont not think that it is right and the people saying that the smoke bothers them...why dont they think for a min. to realize that the get more fumes from the cars that drive bye when they jog then from us smoking i just dont get it.... all i am sayin is kings dauhters need to build a smoking area and people just need to use there brains.........!!!!!

Posted by: tom on Aug 1, 2008 at 05:47 PM
Everybody complains about people that smoke. Well all of the smokers should start complain about all of the air pollution that is let into the air from the smoke stacks or even from the hospital laundry. I was just at KDMC the other day and I smoke. As I stood there watching all of the air pollution that was being put out into the air. People need to stand up for their rights. Because I never heard of a cigarette killing anyone in a car wreck. I know that people are allergic to smoke. But get real you would have to shut down everything that pollutes the air and I don't think that will very happen. SO JUST GROW UP AND LET THE PEOPLE THAT SMOKE HAVE A PLACE TO SMOKE, AND A PLACE TO PUT THE BUTTS, AND NON-SMOKERS DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO THIS PLACE. IF WE LET THEM TAKE AWAY ALL OF OUR RIGHTS WE ARE LIVING IN A PLACE THE IS NOT FREE. OUR FORE FATHERS SMOKED A PEACE PIPE. SO WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL ABOUT MAKING A PLACE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SMOKE. WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE OR SO WE THINK.

Posted by: Robin on Aug 1, 2008 at 04:58 PM
I am a smoker. I have the same right to smoke that you have not to smoke. I smoke in my home and car, but very rarely, out in public. I'd like to know what all those people wanting the bans, plan on doing when they finally get their wish of shutting down the tobacco companies? You won't be collecting the tax we pay on every pack we buy. Take into consideration every person that would be affected, from the CEO right on down to the farmer. It would be a major hit to our economy that we could not afford. I also think that if the smoking ban is passed, I want a ban on cologne and perfume in public. I am very sensitive to this and it gives me a severe migraine. I run into this problem when out to eat, shopping, and even in the park I don't smoke in. Maybe we should have "sniffers" to deny people entrance if they hit the cologne a little too hard. I'd also like to know how long it took the reporter to get the story without getting a smoker dressed in scrubs.

Posted by: Rob on Aug 1, 2008 at 04:41 PM
Corn, given to us by God in the beginning. Apples, given to us by God in the beginning. Ginseng, given to us by God in the beginning. Marijuana, given to us by God in the beginning. Beans, given to us by God in the beginning. Tobacco, given to us by God in the beginning. Tea, given to us by God in the beginning. All things given to us by God should be there for us to use as we want as freely as we want with no exceptions. Alcoholic beverages, gasoline, detergents.....these are just a few man made things that do need certain restrictions. Would God give us the things that he created if he didn't want us to use them? Non-smokers Against God. Or as some of us call them.....NAG, NAG NAG NAG.

Posted by: Stacy on Aug 1, 2008 at 04:11 PM
You know I've been smoking for years and I know the effect's it has on my health and it is something that I choose to do. I do try to stay away from people that don't smoke cause I know it bothers them. But women that wear obscene amount of perfume affects my health more then me smoking. Yes I do have asthma but it's from a childhood thing and not from smoking but when I go to a restaurant and some women sits behind me or beside me I can't breath because the perfume effects my asthma. So why don't they ban perfumes or other things that effects other peoples health besides smoking. Yea I do smoke but by me smoking doesn't flare up any of my health conditions like pollution from cars, factories, peoples colognes. Banning smoking outside is just a total violation of peoples rights. They don't take non-smokers rights away but they do ours. To me thats discrimination. And like I mentioned I do respect people that I'm around that doesn't smoke specially if they are in my home I go outside.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 1, 2008 at 03:39 PM
Does anyone else ever notice that non-smokers' comments usually have appropriate spelling a grammar and smokers' don't? Why don't smokers use all that extra cash that they use on THEIR smoking and buy a decent education? Then non-smokers won't have to pay your medical bills to treat your COPD, emphysema, cancer, etc. because you have a medical card for which someone else is paying because you never had a decent education to pay your own medical bills.

Posted by: Ashlander on Aug 1, 2008 at 02:25 PM
The problem goes further than just the cloud that hangs on the corner of Lexington Ave. It is the mess around the park. Not only are cig butts everywhere but trash from MCD or cups are thrown on the sidewalk. KDMC needs to estabish a smoking area on their property and the City should ban smoking in the park. The playgrounds are full of cig butts. I know I don't want my son playing in that stuff. The Park service does what they can to keep it clean but I think that if you are caught dropping trash including cig butts on the ground in the park, you should have to clean the park for one day or face a $500 fine.

Posted by: rob on Aug 1, 2008 at 02:03 PM
Yesterday it was smoking in bars and the non smokers said well it doesn't affect me so who cares. Now it's smoking in the open park, and non smokers say " i dont care i don't smoke. Tommorow it could be no walking on the left side of the road or talking in public. Wake up people they slowly take away liberties, and when it does affect you, it will be too late. And I am a non smoker.

Posted by: Lisa on Aug 1, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Thank you CS for being so respectful of those of us who choose not to smoke. I am highly allergic to cigarette smoke so when I encounter it, it is hazardous to my health. I do agree with what Ace wrote about going to a restaurant and having to put up with drunk and rude patrons. I believe this should be put to a stop too. There should be a limit on the number of drinks that a person can consume and establishments should have the right to ask anyone to leave who is a disturbance. I know that many smokers feel their rights are infringed upon when they are told they cannot smoke in certain areas. But the bottom line is smoking is not a right...it's a choice. It is a right of those of us who don't smoke to protect our health as much as possible.

Posted by: MrObvious on Aug 1, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Insane? Let's see, Nazis imposed their idealogy on the masses by claiming they knew best what was good for Germany. The anti-smokers complain that smokers are, (pick the adverb), ridiculous, nasty, etc., and they shouldn't be ALLOWED to smoke... Sounds like a similar situation to me. First, you want them all herded off KDMC property, them when they congregate, you want them disbanded. You keep saying that you don't want to ban smoking, you just want them to go smoke, uh, somewhere else. You keep moving this "somewhere else" further and further away. That is because the real issue is that you will never be happy as long as anyone can smoke or do something that you frown upon. You are the same type of people that look down your noses at anyone or anything you do not agree with. At least some of you are honest enough to admit you want a complete ban, the rest of you are the nimby ones. Either way, it is a sad day in a free country when one group tries to run roughshod over another.

Posted by: NO LITTERBUG on Aug 1, 2008 at 10:43 AM
WHILE ON SUBJECT OF THE NASTY HABIT OF SMOKING, isn't throwing cigerette butts out of the car window "LITTERING"? EVERYONE THAT SEES SOMEONE THROWING BUTTS OUT ON THE GROUND SHOULD RIGHT LICENSE PLATE NUMBER AND REPORT IT FOR LITTERING

Posted by: hates cigs on Aug 1, 2008 at 10:29 AM
I think there should be no smoking on grounds on any hospital, you can drive by any hospital in our area and you see PATIENTS out in hosital gowns and pushing IV poles, looks ridiculus, and if something should happen while they were outside they would be sueing hospital, so I think hospitals should ban this practice of letting patients outside

Posted by: Puffed out on Aug 1, 2008 at 09:34 AM
Cigarette smoke in this polluted city is like urinating in the Atlantic ocean. We have far greater issues than a few smokers in the park to deal with. Give the puffers a designated area, non smokers keep away and live in peace.

Posted by: Bill on Aug 1, 2008 at 09:04 AM
One would think that a KDMC health care providers would set the example and not use tobacco. Ideally, health care workers should not be permitted to use tobacco at all as a condition of employment. The administration would see a significant reduction in employee absenteeism and the employees might even experience a reduction in health insurance premiums. Furthermore, taxpayers, who pay for park maintenance, should not have to be exposed to tobacco smoke.

Posted by: to Jay on Aug 1, 2008 at 08:27 AM
Just because they wear scrubs, it doesn't make them a doctor or nurse. Most doctors and nurses I know DON'T smoke. Most of the people I see in the park are housekeepers, food service employees, EMTs, etc. Yes, I'm a KDMC employee, no, I don't smoke. to DD.. I don't smoke, I don't kill babies... your turn.

Posted by: one who knows on Aug 1, 2008 at 08:05 AM
Well first of all kingsdaughters is not going to provide a place for anyone to smoke on hospital property because they will lose one of there accredations. you can chew all you want (since alot of the managment chews)on property. what dont understand is people will get in trouble for not clocking out to go smoke but you have people in the hospital chewing and nothing is ever said about it. tell me whats fair about that. ABSOLUTLY NOTHING. you see patients in central park all the time with there I.V polls and there wheelchairs what are thry going to do if they cant cant go to the park anymore, i will tell you they will be hiding in every nook and cranny within 2 blocks of the hospital tell me whats safe about that. do you think the city is going to give tickets out? or better yet do you think KDMC is going to write tickets. there is no easy fix to this proplem. kdmc to pushed it in ashlands lap so they could deal with it.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 1, 2008 at 08:03 AM
You guys are insane! Comparing non smokers to nazis! Get a grip. All anyone is saying is that you have the right to smoke, but nonsmokers have the right to not have to breathe it in too. Also, the park smokers probably wouldn't even have this issue if they could have cleaned up after themselves. You guys should see that corner-it's disgusting. Hey, I could care less if you smoke your organs to death. I choose not to and I shouldn't have diseased organs simply because you are addicted to something that you can't go an hour or two without.

Posted by: What??? on Aug 1, 2008 at 06:39 AM
So, Stager wants the city to clean up her dirty mess. Smoking is smelly, nasty and kills not just the user. Smokers however want to shove their right to smoke (kill others) where ever they are. Other folks should not be limited or have to avoid an area because smokers want to kill themselves. I would not be allowed to roll around a barrel of toxic sludge where ever I wanted, splashing it onto people as I passed! Even if I claimed that I was addicted to rolling the old nasty barrel, no difference. Smokers, keep it in your house.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 1, 2008 at 06:25 AM
I used to smoke years ago and have quit. I would have never smoked in a park where people go to jog/walk and take their children to play. Smokers have rights and there should be a smoking section for patients and employess of kdmc, but they shouldnt be smoking at the park. I cant believe the city hasnt put a ban on smoking in the park before now. We all knew this would happen when kdmc put a ban on smoking and everyone started walking over to the park.

Posted by: SM on Aug 1, 2008 at 06:15 AM
I am not a smoker, but if you are going to smoke in the park, please do not throw your filters on the ground for someone else to clean up. I would like to see fines handed down for this.

Posted by: freedom on Aug 1, 2008 at 02:57 AM
hat other rights are they going to take away next?i thought this was america,must not be.and how can a little smoke from a cigerette be any worse than the fumes and stuff from ashland oil,or armaco?what ,gonna shutthem down too?bot likely,too much money made,bet if there was a cigarette factory in ashland there wouldnt be any problem.i think if you cant smoke em in ashland,then they shouldnt be allowed to sell them in ashland.

Posted by: Paul on Aug 1, 2008 at 01:37 AM
If i cant use the park then why pay taxes on these things liberalism is a mental disorder

Posted by: DD on Aug 1, 2008 at 01:32 AM
Smoking kills... abortion kills... I'll gladly stop smoking if you stop killing babies.

Posted by: Ozzy on Aug 1, 2008 at 12:00 AM
I think any smoking ban is against our rights of freedom that all americans will or have already fought for thats like putting a ban on our rights for the public to speek for its self witch we need to stat doing again, one of our mottos is "for the people, by the people " not the politicans, for the politicans wallet. the people need to stand up for ourselfs again !! As far as the guy whining when he runs around the park that the smoke breaks his concertration whaa thats so sad that your such a small minded person maybe the smokers at the park should see about banning whinning in the park, this is suppost to be a free country for everyone and I belive in that freedom , our troops that fight and die for it I belive in , my friends and family thats been hurt and that have died to defend it and I belive in my rights of freedom. I a smoker and I have that right to smoke I pay taxes for the parkas well as city taxes , why pay for things I have no rights for. so to sum things up BIGHT ME !!!

Posted by: Rachel on Jul 31, 2008 at 11:55 PM
I personally am SICK of driving down Lexington Ave. & seeing patients in hospital gowns dragging their I.V. poles over to the corner to smoke. Maybe they should have a "smoking bus" pick up the hospital employees and patients who are smokers and trolley them around the block at set times throughout the day so they can smoke in peace and the non-smokers don't have to see, smell, or breathe it!!

Posted by: Majority Rules on Jul 31, 2008 at 11:39 PM
TO Jj ste the date my wife and me will be there with our smokes!!!!!!!!! Hopefully one of many..

Posted by: Ace on Jul 31, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Yes i smoke and i don`t smoke inside. Now you want to stop outside smoking ! How about what makes me sick ,try to go out to eat and the people eating around you are drunk and rude, But we still serve alcohol, and how many people has that killed. And then we have the obese, but we still serve them food. And how many vehicles pass buy the park each day,but we still sell gas. We accomodate everyone else, why not accomodate me? I'm a smoker. What i`m saying is look at your self and you most likely won`t have time for much of anything else..

Posted by: CS on Jul 31, 2008 at 11:05 PM
I must say that this debate has been going on since KDMC Announced that it would be going smoke free. Personally I understand completly why KDMC needs to be smoke free. Do people realize that the hospitals have oxygen running through the walls? And that it is Flamable. I never understood why anyone would want to smoke inside the hospital. As far as a shelter, KDMC did have several areas that smoking was allowed until the total ban. However people still did not go to these areas. You could almost always go by an entrance and someone would be smoking right outside of it. I am a smoker, it is what I choose to do. However I have never smoked inside a resturant or any other public building where someone may have an allergic reaction to it. It is my choice to smoke as it is my choice to go outside of my own house because I dont want my son to be inclosed while I am smoking at 5 he has not made that decesion. If everyone would so others respect I think the need for this debate would end

Posted by: MrObvious on Jul 31, 2008 at 10:38 PM
I find it hilarious how some people will start off talking about respecting others rights then go on a rant disrecting them for smoking. I guess they only support rights that they agree with. The worse part is, no matter what is done, the anti-smoking nazies will complain. If they build a smoking area, complete with air scrubbers, they will complain that it has doors and a teensy bit escapes each time the door opens. If they smoking in parks, they will try to ban it in public housing (tried in CA). Then it will be cars, then it will be everywhere. Their ultimate goal is to eliminate smoking. After they are done with that, they will go after some other pleasure that we as free people like to do. I've heard it said that some people will never be happy until they have made everyone else as miserable as them...

Posted by: MrObvious on Jul 31, 2008 at 10:27 PM
This country is not "Majority Rule" as one poster stated. It has never been. Everyone has EQUAL rights. Your rights are no better or higher than mine. Your rights are no better than a smokers rights. I especially like the hollier than thou rationale that smoking is bad and we know better than you do and you can't do it na na na...Sounds like a bunch of 5 year olds. P.S. I am a former smoker, but I respect ALL peoples rights, not just the PC ones.

Posted by: Larry on Jul 31, 2008 at 10:21 PM
I don't smoke, but face it, we have people who do and will. Address the issue over all: Build a room or small shelter bldg. near the hospital, install a filter vent system to filter the smoke and designate as a smoke area. The cost should be shared by th city and hospital. Everyone can be happy then.

Posted by: Jj on Jul 31, 2008 at 10:17 PM
This is too funny. I have rights....no I have rights. I live in Huntington and I'm thinking about driving to Ashland sitting in the park across from KDMC and smoking a whole pack. Even better idea lets set a date for everyone to go smoke in the park. Seriously lets have "Ashland Smokefest 08" pack the park with our packs of cigarettes. We can even have games like make the jogger focus harder. We should do it why we can. In a few years the only place you are going to be able to smoke is in your own home in your bedroom with the doors locked under the blankets.

Posted by: julia on Jul 31, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Since there is no federal prohibition then smokers are being unlawfully refused their right to smoke. Smoking is still LEGAL and until that day when congress passes a law that prohibits smoking then I say no to a ban. What are you going to do? Declare all smokers enemy combatants and disappear them to GITMO? If anything is true here Governments are violating the rights of every smoker to deny then the right to partake of a LEGAL product. It is LEGAL people! I am surprised there hasn’t been a class action lawsuit against the city of Ashland on this issue. How can you ban smoking anywhere if it is a legally sold and legally consumed product? So before you get on your high horse and smack back I want everyone to know this is posted by a ex-smoker.

Posted by: gs on Jul 31, 2008 at 10:08 PM
its my park keep it clean,,,,stop puffing

Posted by: mike on Jul 31, 2008 at 09:31 PM
i have an lets change ashland to baghdad ky

Posted by: Old Professional on Jul 31, 2008 at 09:22 PM
As a child, I was exposed to smoke, chemical fumes, fireplace smoke and soot, etc. Is it possible the public just follows along with the mantra of the day? What is next, perfect weight to work? Regarding professionalism in hospitals, professionalism went out the door when hospitals allowed scrubs and tennis shoes instead of the white uniform, with hair contained, natural fingernails, and no jewelry. I would choose a properly dressed caretaker who smoked over one who arrived (directly from a little league ball game) to give patient care wearing grass stained shoes, flyaway hair, fake nails with fungi growing in the adhesive and wearing grease stained scrubs. I have witnessed this; also, more people die in hospitals from staph infections than second hand smoke. If you doubt this, check it out. In an emergency, i.e. car accident, a nurse who smokes is the only person available, would you tell them to leave so you could breathe fresh air as you continued to bleed to death?

Posted by: citizentoo on Jul 31, 2008 at 09:19 PM
Do any one of the people complaining about smokers being concentrated realized that they were not concentrated before all the bans were put in place? If smoking is only allowed in certain areas, that is where the smokers will go. It also seems that everyone has forgotten that tobacco farming practically built this area. I would like for all smokers to go one day, just one single day, without spending ANY money - no gas, food or anything on that day. That would show how much influence we could have.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 31, 2008 at 09:12 PM
You say that you don't want your rights taken away, you don't want to be told what to eat, what to wear, blah blah blah! But when you smoke, you force others to inhale it against their will! Is that not the same issue? You are arguing against what you do to non-smokers on a daily basis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Smoker in Boyd Co on Jul 31, 2008 at 08:47 PM
First it was bikes then our dogs or cats and now this , I am a smoker but I dont smoke around people that dont or is allergic but this is over stepping things, we smokers have rights too, I have seen people walk in a group of smokers than complain about smokers and I have seen smokers move to avoid the person and they follow them. You want to blame smoking for every thing thats bad but have you seen the epa results for this area have you seen the chemicals that we breathe that is cancer causing agents, before walking on someones rights look at the entire facts, why fight induvidals when you need to fight the companies to reduce the cancer causing agents they let out of their factories.

Posted by: Healthcare Worker on Jul 31, 2008 at 08:39 PM
KDMC didn't go "smoke free" to irritate everyone. The Joint Commission (a regulatory agency for healthcare facilities) mandates that all hospitals must be smoke free by 2010. I commend KDMC for starting now in enforcing this regulation. I'm not employed by KDMC and I'm a non-smoker but the hospital I work for will soon face this also. Everyday patient's come to the hospital with severe respiratory problems and go outside to smoke several times daily. They usually come back to the unit in distress requiring a breathing treatment. I can't understand this. I wouldn't be surprised if insurance companies stop paying for hospital stays if patient's continue to smoke then come back inside for their inhalers and breathing treatments.

Posted by: A on Jul 31, 2008 at 08:38 PM
I am ok with smoking in the park but I don't understand why people are so lazy that they just throw the butts on the ground? It looks terrible and if people will not use the ashtrays I think smoking should be taken away.

Posted by: Laura on Jul 31, 2008 at 08:35 PM
This is insane! There should be a smoking section somewhere. I dont believe in all this second hand smoke danger anyway. I just think everyone is trying to control everyone else. Yes I smoke. I dont do drugs, I work my butt off at my job.(which is stressful) And I like to smoke me a cigarette. Its my choice. Back in the day, nobody said crap about second hand smoke. I think its all just propaganda. You cant tell me that walking through cigarette smoke is gonna kill someone. HELLO! what about car fumes?fumes from AK Steel? The whole thing is just plum stupid.

Posted by: Nurse on Jul 31, 2008 at 08:34 PM
What I want to know is how and when do these hospital workers, such as nurses find time to smoke? Think about about, depending on what floor they are on, the trek over to the park would take 5-10 minutes. Someone should see how long they are over there smoking. As a nurse with several family members in the profession too, I can sometime barely find time to go to the restroom, let alone go over to the park for a smoke. I'll bet that these smokers on here defending their "rights" will feel differently when they are emphysema patients at KDMC and their nurse doesn't answer their light because they had to smoke. It's should just not be a priority when you are suppose to be caring for others and believe me the smokers coworkers are having to pick up the slack.

Posted by: green on Jul 31, 2008 at 08:25 PM
I think a compromise would be better then a complete ban. Its only fair that smokers should have a designated place to go that isn't within the vicinity to bother someone else. After all, you do have the right to smoke, but everyone else has the right NOT to. Maybe non-smokers could just go to a different restaurant or jog in a different direction. But why should they have to? What claim do smokers have on certain public areas that non-smokers don't and vice versa? I think there is a much simpler and fairer solution to this mess.

Posted by: george on Jul 31, 2008 at 08:15 PM
i have a lung disease that was inherited from my father i can not be around cigareet smoke at all i hhave copd and asthma if u want to smoke go ahead but a least have your area so i can live and still breath i try to stay away from places where there is smoking up i can not wear a sign aroun my neck to say hey this smoke will kill me please have respect for other people and children just cigareet can cause my lungs to progress i know i am sick and try to stay out of your way but for the taxes i pay i should be able to enjoy what life i have left

Posted by: reader on Jul 31, 2008 at 08:13 PM
I agree with Jim KDMC should have a covered shelter for employees and patients familys that smoke.

Posted by: to Steven Bailey on Jul 31, 2008 at 07:31 PM
I know a nice place to jog its called iraq try it then maybe someone will care about what you think

Posted by: Ungreatful Whiners on Jul 31, 2008 at 07:27 PM
My grandfather wants to personally thank you ungreatful whiners for returning the favor he done for you in the south pacific he really appreciates the love of freedom you all show and if not for his love of this country he would wish we had not of won seems to him these days we didnt so be sure you treat all vets the same and ban smoking in every vfw and american legion hall in the US and maybe next time which there will be one you can go fight for rights you dont deserve

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 31, 2008 at 07:01 PM
Because we can't smoke like a stove ,get a life Gary.

Posted by: Charlie on Jul 31, 2008 at 06:46 PM
We can hardly pay our bills ,gas is completely out of hand ,the gas companies came out today announcing record profits --ha ha in your face American people. The constitution is being ignored by the Bush administration ,funding for many great programs are already cut. Low income disabled folks are going without their medicine & without any help on utility bills -the fat has gotten thin in America & all these stupid people can think to do about it holler about someone smoking a cigarette outside mind you. Just shows how wrapped up some people are in themselves . Take the $ away our tax from cig. sales provides & they would really have something legitimate to crow about.

Posted by: Sick of no right's on Jul 31, 2008 at 06:39 PM
Smokers are not the minority people ,we just have to hide to smoke because of you cry baby's .I get so sick of you all going on about smoker's .We have no right's anymore in nothing we do ,everday more and more is being took away and a lot is because of people like you ,next thing they will be taking our right's to eat what we want ,saying it will make us fat or take our kid's ,saying they are over weight ,oh yell I have already heard of that .We better watch out next thing they will want to do is line us up at a wall and shoot us .

Posted by: Carol on Jul 31, 2008 at 06:33 PM
You know I wish this thing about smoking would be left alone. "The smoker has no rights at all." I think if you smoke out in the open it is not hurting anyone. I bet those not smoking people used to smoke too! How would people not like it if they were told they could not run or walk anywhere! bet they would not like that a bit. smoking should be aloud anywhere especially out side.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jul 31, 2008 at 06:25 PM
Kdmc should be responsible for providing a designated area for their employees to smoke. It should not be the citys responsibilty. I am not a smoker, but feel the employer should take some responsibilty for thier employees.

Posted by: Mary B on Jul 31, 2008 at 06:22 PM
Although I am a non-smoker and am very happy that smoking has been banned inside public buildings, I do believe that KDMC should provide a smoking area for the patients. I am a nurse and I know and see every day the effect that smoking has on the body, but no matter how many times someone is told they shouldn't go out and no matter how many bans are put into effect, people will still find a way to go smoke. Staff and patients are now forced to cross the street to get their fix. The joggers complain about what goes on in the day time, but what about the night shift? Employees and patients have to go and stand in a dark park...this is not safe!!! It's going to take someone getting seriously injured before "the suits" at KDMC care. At least if a smoking area was in place we could keep a better eye on our patients and patients and employees would be a little safer. And my advise to fellow non smokers, stay away from them...it's just that simple!

Posted by: sylvia on Jul 31, 2008 at 06:22 PM
i think some people complain about smoking hurting their health which may be true but what about all the carbon monoxide which is released in the air each time we start and drive our cars this is way more harmful than a drift of cigarette smoke but do we do as much complaining of this???? you can't die from 20 min. of cigarette smoke but you can die from 20 min of carbon monoxide poison from a car

Posted by: GARY on Jul 31, 2008 at 05:52 PM
I HATE SMOKE,,,,WHY DO YOU ALL SMOKE LIKE A CHIMMNEY

Posted by: na on Jul 31, 2008 at 04:09 PM
I once talked to a guy that visited here and he told me they laughling called Ashland and Cattlesburg "stink city" not because of smokers but polution from the plants. So if you non smoking hipocits want something to cry about there ya go. My taxes paid for the streets here and for Central park, so I plan to enjoy it the same as you non puffers. Walk into any resturant that has a non smoking section and you will see the smoking is jammed with waiting lines but only about one third of the non smoking is full, that tells me something. Resturants and bars and other non smoking places will soon go under form lack of customers. I agree KDH needs to make a smoking area if it is going to stay non smoking.

Posted by: Beth Ann on Jul 31, 2008 at 04:03 PM
You know I am a smoker, but seems like recently I been to the park and there are cigarette butts all over the ground. When I smoke, I smoke away from non smokers and away from where they will walk. I also dont throw my cigarette butts down. I also seen on several occasions where people were smoking inside the play area, when there is a sign posted telling you not too. I dont have a problem with them banning it at the park for those reasons, some cry over their rights but they abuse it. I am not talking about the ones who posted it on here. I am just talking about what I have witnessed.

Posted by: Jude on Jul 31, 2008 at 03:59 PM
I agree with Jim. I was just down there for 2 days and a covered place with ashtray access would be nice. And us smokers should do our part and not liter. it would leave these precious joggers to concentrate more....

Posted by: Amy on Jul 31, 2008 at 03:55 PM
I've commented before on this subject...hope this one gets posted...as I 100% NON smoker, and the mother of a child w/ asthma (BTW, he's no where near overweight; just runs in the family)and as much as I can't STAND to be Aaround smoke, I really think that we, as Americans, are having our rights taken away...designated smoking areas should be provided. Yes, I understand that there should be no smoking in hospitals, etc., but to put a ban on open air smoking is WRONG. Pretty soon, it will be become a law that you can't smoke in your car w/ your kids (& that's certainly a bad idea to do) but then, there will be a law prohibiting smoking in your own home- in CA they are wanting to ban fast food places--I just don't understand why people can't see that Americans' rights are being taken away.

Posted by: tee on Jul 31, 2008 at 03:21 PM
There should be an outside area provided(away from the park). The people trying to enjoy the park shouldn't have to be exposed to someone else's habit. Besides, these people are in the health care profession they should realize the affects of second hand smoke.

Posted by: Tony on Jul 31, 2008 at 02:51 PM
I think that the smokers rights are the ones that are being violated , if you don't like it stay away from it .Smokers are looked at like we are criminals . In todays world we might as well be smoking pot instead of cigarettes and enjoy it , EVERYONE would be happy ! GIVE THE SMOKER A BREAK , we pay just as much taxes , if not more , to take care of the park as the NON-smokers do .

Posted by: Concerned About Public Health on Jul 31, 2008 at 02:43 PM
The problem is most smokers do not believe that smoking is harmful to their own body, so why would they believe it is harmful to anyone around them. I've been a nurse for the last 15 years and I've seen so many people suffering from respiratory illnesses due to smoking. It is not a pretty picture when you walk into a hospital room and see someone lying over a bedside table,oxygen flowing up their nose,a fan blowing in their face and using every muscle in their body, just to take a breath. Most smokers will find themselves in this very situation. Both of my parents smoked and statistically I should have been a smoker as well, but I never liked it and never wanted to try it. Smoking is an addiction and with any addiction the user will justify using it.

Posted by: Kelli on Jul 31, 2008 at 02:42 PM
Non-smokers have rights. Smokers have rights. It's not a question about whose rights are more important. I walk in Central Park everyday to improve MY health. I have rights. Everyday, I see smokers lined up. That's their right. But can you guys be responsible enough to clean up after yourselves? The sidewalks and grass are littered with YOUR trash. Why should the City of Ashland have to pay workers to clean it up? Why should KDMC have to pay their employees to clean it up? You want to be treated like adults, act like adults. I've personally witnessed people deliberately throw butts on the sidewalk and in