Pastors Talking Politics?
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Posted: 9:14 PM Sep 8, 2008
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HUNTINGTON, W.Va. (WSAZ) -- Separation of church and state versus a pastor's right to talk politics from the pulpit -- that's a hot topic in this even hotter political season, and a national campaign is urging pastors to challenge the law.

Local pastors who have some well-defined opinions about where their boundaries start and stop shared their thoughts.

John McCain versus Barack Obama -- it's one of the most highly charged presidential campaign seasons in recent memory. Political endorsements and candidate picks are running rampant everywhere but in the church.

"Here at Calvary, I would never stand before my congregation and openly promote a candidate or tell them who to vote for," said Dr. Franklin Murphy, pastor of Calvary Missionary Baptist Church in Huntington.

But a coalition of pastors supported by a group of Christian lawyers, known as the Alliance Defense Fund, say otherwise. They're encouraging pastors across the country to challenge the laws and choose political sides on September 28. It's called Pulpit Freedom Sunday.

"This is our chance to say we've always been a part of politics and we need to have a voice to guide our country in the right direction," said Chuck Lawrence, pastor of Christ Temple Church in Huntington.

The law on this is clear. It's fine for pastors to talk political issues and educate their church on the candidates. However, the IRS prohibits churches from engaging in partisan politics, including endorsing a political candidate or party. A violation could threaten the church's tax-exempt status.

Locally, just like the national debate, it's a divisive issue. Lawrence said he will not tell his congregation how to vote; he doesn't think the IRS should be able to govern the pulpit either.

"Churches have always been a part of the process by pointing out Biblical stance and giving moral sides," Lawrence said.

Murphy expressed his opinion about Pulpit Free Sunday: "No pastor has the right to promote political anarchy from the pulpit," he said. "They’re saying to people if the government implements a law that you don't agree with, then if you get enough people to fight against it and openly ignore it, you can change the law."

And Murphy said contrary to what the Alliance Defense Fund believes, pastors have not lost their freedom of speech, but churches are preaching a different theology.

"The Dominion Theology says Christians will take over the country and will take over the world and that's against what God says in the Bible," Murphy said.

Lawrence said he will participate in Pulpit Freedom Sunday, but stop short of endorsing a candidate.

"We'll lay their voting records and other things against the backdrop of the Scripture and let people choose based on that," he said.

On Monday afternoon, a group of ministers in Ohio filed a complaint with the IRS asking them to stop Pulpit Freedom Sunday. They say it's inappropriate for lawyers to encourage ministers to break the law. They also say they worry about churches becoming extensions of political campaigns and possibly gaining political influence by supporting a winning candidate.

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Posted by: GOPOHIO on Oct 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM
How about REV. Wright and Farrakhan preaching Obama in their sermons? If these devils can do it, and not be taxed by the law, then why can't the real Christian preachers. I say preach the word of God until Jesus Christ comes back.. and pray for the blinded liberals.

Posted by: RobR on Sep 11, 2008 at 03:01 PM
A pastor using his pulpit does not violate the First Amendment, he violates Federal Law (IRS). If a church becomes a political action group to any degree, then it needs to pay taxes like other political groups. This keeps churches from being cogs in a political machine, cheapening religion, and ultimately keeps politicians from telling you how to worship. It also keeps false tax-free "churches" to exist simply for political purposes. I believe you were the one claiming you were being denied the right to worship freely somehow -- I assume you are saying the government is denying you this? (... I am so intrigued by this claim). Ergo, why "invite" the government into churches, if this is exaclty what you are afraid of.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 11, 2008 at 01:56 PM
Lori, did you know, that during the Civil War, Abe Lincoln: 1)suspended the Constitution, 2)had US Congressmen arrested, 3)had civilians tried by military tribunals instead of criminal courts, 4)frequently used passages from the Bible in his speeches, including the Gettysburg address? Perhaps you need to stop campaigning & read history books.

Posted by: MT on Sep 11, 2008 at 12:39 AM
To RobR: Personal political commentary aside, since we obviously will not agree, please explain to me how a Pastor using his pulpit to endorse political candidates is in violation of the seperation of Church and State? As a matter of law, please identify the state actor who is sponsoring the establishment of a state religion in this situation. Neither the Church nor the Pastor are agents of the government thus seperation of Church and State should not apply in this argument.

Posted by: Army Wife on Sep 10, 2008 at 05:24 PM
The Bible speaks of war and rumor of war. No body likes War, But As an American I didn't like or appreciate 911 either! It is families like mine that is sacrificing for this country and I stand behind my Husband! I don't recall where the Bible speak of abortion and saids it is OK to be used as Birth Control! My Daughter had a child when she was a young teenager and she stood up for what was right and He is not a mistake that should have been erased as if it never happened! Give life a chance and you might find the biggest Blessing you ever had.(Matthew 24:6) You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. (Luke 18:16) But Jesus called the children to him and said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. GOD BLESS AMERICA

Posted by: Amy on Sep 10, 2008 at 04:55 PM
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 10, 2008 at 05:43 AM This is what you said...ooooo boy id like to hear some of you guys when you stand before jesus i can hear it now oh i love you lord lol even though i stood up for people killing your babies This is what I have to say...people like you make me sick. I am a Christian, a Sunday School teacher and I am also a democrat. Everybody wants to scream about abortion. I don't believe in abortion as a form of birth control but abortion isn't our only problem. What about people dying because they can't get the healthcare they deserve because they don't have insurance. To me that's murder. What about our troops getting killed in a senseless war? That's murder. What are you going to say to Jesus on judgement day? I love you Jesus and I tried to save babies but I didn't really care about your people who were down and out or people dying in war. Vote for who you want but use some common sense! Yes Jesus knows me and I am not worried.

Posted by: Mark on Sep 10, 2008 at 04:02 PM
To all the folks espousing the intent of the founding fathers to create a government with "seperation of church and state".....please dont take things as actual you have heard from the media all of your life...do the research yourself. Get a book called "The Myth of Seperation" and read it. Instead of the letter referenced in a previous post, there are over 1000 documented letters, essays, court filings, court rulings dating back to the late 1700's from these same founding fathers mentioned, look at their actual words, and then explain to me how the liberal courts have decided to do this. Do you realize the term seperation of church and state wasnt a matter of record until mid-1900's, right? This is a modern idea. Just look at the facts, if you still believe that and can back it up with facts, I'll buy you lunch. God Bless ya.

Posted by: Peacebeuponyou on Sep 10, 2008 at 02:32 PM
Anonymous - What will you do when you kneel up on high and realize that Jesus isnt white, isnt Republican and isnt an Evangelical Christian. And last time I checked vengance and hate weren't good Christian values.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 10, 2008 at 01:41 PM
People's babies are being killed by us in Iraq. We give it a nice phrase though, "collateral damage." Do you think God is okay with innocent people being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, but not okay with innocent Americans? You have conflicting ideologies. You can point to many Republican-championed issues that cause death of innocent people. Why should only the well-to-do have the ability to see a doctor when they are ill? WWJD? In my belief, Jesus would want us to care for those who can't care for themselves. Now, any of us can twist this idea to favor whatever side we wish to fall on - Innocent Iraqis versus innocent babies versus innocent Americans without healthcare? WWJD?

Posted by: RobR on Sep 10, 2008 at 01:30 PM
To MT -- "prohibiting a state sponsored religion" is exactly what you are asking for! If a government erects a Jewish Star on public propery withyour tax dollars, then they are promoting Judism. Don't blame society's ills on "liberals and misguided judges" -- the US is 80% Cristian, so our ills are own fault. Example of life in "your world": I went to Catholic Church, and we were taught that all non-Catholic Cristians are basically "heathen" and won;t go to heaven -- is that what children should be taught in public school, when the Catholic Church get's "their" candidate elected through lobbying and pulpit politics? Also, what U.S. state do you live in that you are "deprived of the right to freely worship"? How are you deprived? Last I checked, you, as an individual can pray wherever you want -- public schools, government buildings, etc. My kids pray in public school. Don't get your logic twisted -- you are free -- don't ruin it.

Posted by: Lori on Sep 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM
"I see in the near future a crises approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the WAR, corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeaver to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the peple until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war." THIS is a letter from ABE LINCOLN to Colonel William F. Elkins in Nov 1864. It is a PREMONITION of our times. The Bush Administration has been Hell bent on privatising everything. They have been trying to blur the lines between seperation of church and state. John McCain continues these policies. I believe that I will be judged, not by what others do, but by what I do to help all people, wether I agree with them or not.

Posted by: Ashley on Sep 10, 2008 at 10:01 AM
I don't understand why this is even an issue. The purpose of a church is spiritual fellowship, the purpose of a pastor is spirtual leadership. I don't see how either of these things have anything to do with politics. Simply put, politics have no place in church. No member should be made to feel an outcast because they don't agree with the candidate the church supports. Furthermore, I would not attend a church that openly supported one candidate over the other. It simply gets away from the PURPOSE of a church and the aim on ministry.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 10, 2008 at 09:42 AM
I CAN SAY THAT SOME PEOPLE COME TO CHURCH AND DON'T EVEN HAVE A CLUE OF WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES, SO YES, IF THE PASTOR FEELS THE LORD IS DEALING WITH HIM TO SAY SOMETHING, THEN YES HE SHOULD! SOME PEOPLE COME AND JUST SIT, STAND, SING, SIT AGAIN, PRAY, SMILE AND SHAKE HANDS, AND LEAVE AND DON'T HAVE A CLUE~! I KNOW THAT I DON'T WANT TO STAND BEFORE THE LORD AND SAY "WELL GO THAT PASTOR OF MINE MADE ME MAD, AND I DIDN'T LIKE THAT" YOU CAN GO RIGHT ON AHEAD IF YOU WANT TO, BUT NOT ME!!

Posted by: Gospel on Sep 10, 2008 at 09:38 AM
Church is to teach the followers how to live a life of christian values and to help those in need.Pastors are to oversee the church and help any and all who need or ask for help,the Gospelis to be spread by all believers everywhere they go as for politics,moral standards or views of the pastor about who to vote for are his to voice in public/private but not in the position as a pastor from the pulpit.Why else would the pulpit be used unless he claims to know the mind/heart of God and God told him/her to use the pulpit for this purpose.Argue history or Constitution or politics all you want like it will settle anything<200 years gone and nothing settled yet>lawyers/preachers/zealots still at it.All agree no matter what else is that if love or hate is in you it will show it's self to all.

Posted by: MissingPoint on Sep 10, 2008 at 09:28 AM
The abortion debate has nothing to do with religion, thats where the separation of church and state comes in, you can't make it illegal just because its against your religion; because your religion isn't everybody's and you can't force it on them. Its about human rights and the question of at what point in development and conception does an embryo become deserving of said rights, we can't quite reach a consensus on that and its been the most dividing issue since slavery

Posted by: Kathy on Sep 10, 2008 at 08:54 AM
Politics need to be kept out of churches and schools PERIOD. THAT'S what the framers of our "democracy" had in mind. They KNEW what this would evolve into and it has. Their worst nightmare has come true. How many so-called "preachers" have been nothing more than money grabbing, liars themselves? Jim Baker? Even Oral Roberts! So they can & DO exert influence over their "flock". Why do you think they call their parishioners "flock"??? As in SHEEP following what they're told & doing so blindly! I don't need or WANT someone, ANYONE telling me what to think, say, do or believe & sure don't want some other HUMAN (they are NOT GOD despite many of them CLAIMING they are) dictating to me from the pulpit who I should vote for, or what my thoughts should be. They're nothing but mortal as we are & fallible & open to sin as much as the rest of us. GOD should be the only one leading our thoughts if we believe in Him which I do Pastors are giving THEIR views, not God's

Posted by: carl on Sep 10, 2008 at 08:24 AM
True freedom would be life with out a Government or any religion.It doesn't matter if you vote or not we are a nation based on greed.preachers and politicians both make a living from talking"telling lies".Most christian don't support war but they say I support the troops,well i have news for you if you support troops your for war.

Posted by: marlene on Sep 10, 2008 at 07:26 AM
i think to mix preaching and politics is wrong. christ did not die for us to preach poltics. it will not take anyone to heaven. the Bible says to preach the word , which means what is contain between the pages of the Bible.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 10, 2008 at 05:43 AM
ooooo boy id like to hear some of you guys when you stand before jesus i can hear it now oh i love you lord lol even though i stood up for people killing your babies, alot of you are gonna get fooled when the day comes ohhh and dont worry hes coming and knows each and every one of you.

Posted by: Scott on Sep 10, 2008 at 03:42 AM
Christians remember this saying from Jesus regarding taxes and the like: "Do unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's. Do unto God what is God's." Need I say anything more!!

Posted by: SavageHenry on Sep 10, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Most of the founding fathers were Deists, meaning they thought there was a higher being who created the Universe, set it in motion, and walked away. If churches can campaign for candidates, thats fine. Just give up your tax exempt status! Otherwise, we could destroy the churches, melt their gold and feed the poor. What a novel idea, sounds almost Christlike!!!! But alas, the rich wouldnt get into heaven then.......

Posted by: bill on Sep 9, 2008 at 10:51 PM
I agree with Larry I want from my pastor the word as it is in the Bible. I want to know what I need to do so I will go to heaven.

Posted by: MT on Sep 9, 2008 at 10:45 PM
There is a common misconception about seperation of Church and State. Liberal attorneys have twisted the idea in order to remove prayer from schools, Public Nativity Scenes, etc. Seperation of Church and State merely means "prohibiting a state sponsored religion." It was never meant to deprive democratic citizens of the right to freely worship as they as they wish. Many of our society's problems have developed since liberals and misguided judges have failed or were unwilling to understand this concept.

Posted by: Sambo on Sep 9, 2008 at 10:31 PM
I don't know what's the big deal about wheather pastors can endorse a president from the pulpit or not. Most church goers don't listen to the pastor anyway. We preach against drinking, they still drink. We preach against adultry, they still wife and husband swap. We tell them tobacco is bad for them, they still smoke and chew. We tell them to not act like heathen's, they still go to the ball fields and act like idiots. We ask them to come to church on Sundays, they stay home, mow grass and complain about their neighbors who are "bible-thumpers". Aeh, I'd rather be a "bible-thumper" than a "bar-hopper". At least my hands are in a good place!

Posted by: cindy on Sep 9, 2008 at 09:54 PM
We should have learned with Bush that person's who prey on the concerns of the christians is usually lying.. Bush's christian facade fell off the last four years.. Before you make a decision do your own research and find out the truth not what is being presented to you in a way to scare you into voting for fear of not being a good christian..

Posted by: RoaneCo. on Sep 9, 2008 at 09:33 PM
Judi you are hilarious! "Offerings to GOD", "GOD'S money"? Does your God know his money is being spent to settle sexual assault and rape cases because some catholic priest couldn't keep his hands off the alter boys? Does your God approve of these priest on T.V. begging for money just to spend it on fancy cars, jets, boats, multi-million dollar homes etc...? Tell me Judi does your God have direct deposit or does all these churchs send him a check every week. And what about these tithes, is this a weekly payment for your ticket to heaven? Well I have to pay taxes so I think the church should pay taxes and if your God is getting all this money then he should be paying taxes.

Posted by: MD on Sep 9, 2008 at 09:01 PM
I think it's a pastor's job to inform his church members to pray about which candidate they feel will best serve the needs of our nation. We must trust and rely upon our faith and prayer to bring us through these difficult times. A pastor is just a person like all of God's children. It's up to us as Christian's to follow God's word.

Posted by: jtb on Sep 9, 2008 at 08:55 PM
thats one of the big reasons the churches are going downhill sticking their noses where it dont belong i belive the church should stick to their primary purpose of saving souls instead of politicking that does nothing but cause hard feelings in the congregation jb

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 9, 2008 at 08:46 PM
to Anonymous on Sep 9, 2008 at 06:27 AM not all of the founding fathers claimed to be Christians. Some were and all of them did believe in a higher being.

Posted by: Larry on Sep 9, 2008 at 08:27 PM
Preachers have the ability to influence perishners and should be very careful to stay clear of leading the congregation to one side or the other. Preach the bible and let the people vote according to the dictates of their own heart.

Posted by: JC on Sep 9, 2008 at 07:52 PM
Preachers can have the right to voice their opinions, but they should not do it as a Preacher. Just as Preachers interpret the Bible differently and lead a congregation by those interpretations, Christian followers may feel that the Preacher's opinion is right and may be swayed into voting for someone just because God believes that is the right person. There is a reason for separation of Church and State and Preachers should not use their status to influence elections. Interpret God's word and let the Christians use those teachings to decide for themselves who they feel is the right person. When politics enter Church, they are pushing God out.

Posted by: beth on Sep 9, 2008 at 07:11 PM
First of all, separation of church and state is not in our constitiution. It is an idea, not a law. Though, I do agree it is a good idea. I also think it is wise for pastors to leave their political veiws to themselves, what they preach should be Biblical, not political. Don't you think if your preaching Biblical, and if you act as Chist would, your political views would be obvious with out actually saying it? As a Christian I confess, we do a bad job of representing our Christ. Speaking our mind instead of God's Word is a dangerous thing to to, especially from the pulpit.

Posted by: Mark on Sep 9, 2008 at 05:53 PM
Of course, they should be allowed to speak on politics from the pulpit. Just like non-preachers should be allowed to speak politics from the street corner or some liberal talk show. The tax exempt status of most churches is no reason to try and muzzle a man of God from speaking and teaching the Bible and how the views and stances of the candidates will affect laws and how the current laws and the Constitution are interpreted. I, for one, pray every day for the leaders of this country and thank God for the freedoms we DO have in this country, however long they may last

Posted by: Old Teacher on Sep 9, 2008 at 05:39 PM
The problem is preachers are fallible just like you and me. You can often find great wisdom and understanding from preachers, but it is your responsibility to find the truth from Him. Remember Jesus is not a democrat or republican. He is not influenced by the politics of man, but we should be influenced in our daily lives by Him.

Posted by: J. on Sep 9, 2008 at 05:30 PM
FYI, Andrea et.al, the founding fathers were NOT in favor of this becoming a Christian nation. "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" --- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson "What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not." --- James Madison, "A Memorial and Remonstrance", 1785

Posted by: J. on Sep 9, 2008 at 05:27 PM
To anonymous - actually, marriage is a civil right, not a religious institution. Marriage conveys important legal benefits and has zero to do with religion (unless you have a religious ceremony). That's why atheists and non Christians are free to marry as they please.

Posted by: Allen on Sep 9, 2008 at 05:25 PM
As a Pastor, I cherish the right to free speech. However, I believe God's call for my life is to preach God's word (the Bible) and teach people so that they can make up their own minds. But, as any other American citizen, free speech is a right. Preaching politics? No. Preaching the Bible? Yes, absolutely. And, then after examining God's word, use that to help people see how to vote their conscience. Sorry if I offend anyone.

Posted by: Wanda on Sep 9, 2008 at 05:20 PM
I think every Christian especially those who are in authority should tell their congregations what the candidates stand for. They may know something about them we don't. Better to know now than be sorry later.

Posted by: cvbear on Sep 9, 2008 at 05:01 PM
They should be able to preach if the church is not a non profit. If they discuss politics, then pay taxes on all the Church's assets and no one who donates to the church should be able to claim a charitable deduction on their taxes. So for the Christian Alliance lawyers, dig deep in you pockets. Most communities could use the property tax for social projects that the churches are not meeting.

Posted by: Pablo on Sep 9, 2008 at 04:57 PM
If churches are tax exempt, then they need to leave politics out. I know some items, such as abortion borders on church matters, but I've seen a local church here in Mason County that had put out phamplets on Al Gore and gun control. I don't know what bible they read from, but no where in my Bible does it say anything about Christians and firearms. Having said that, I have several firearms (pistols, rifles, and shotguns) and am second to none on my 2nd Admendment rights. I just don't like religion dealing in non-Christian issues.

Posted by: anon on Sep 9, 2008 at 04:55 PM
Ashley where did you get your info that pastors dont pay taxes???? that's crazy! and if a pastor wants to talk about politics from the pulpit then have at it. we should not limit what our pastors talk about. the next thing you know someone will argue that pastors shouldnt talk about hell.

Posted by: James on Sep 9, 2008 at 04:32 PM
Hey Anonymous, which liberal history textbook did you get your information from? If you are referring to Thomas Jefferson didn't sign the Constitution because he didn't want large government infringing on rights and he wasn't here when the bill of rights were written. Also, read their diaries and journals and correspondence to others you will change your mind about what kind of nation they wanted.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 9, 2008 at 04:16 PM
So it's "extensions of political campaigns" in a church, but it's free speech in a union hall. If you can't beat them, litigate them, right?

Posted by: Concerned on Sep 9, 2008 at 04:10 PM
Every church in this alliance should have a Federal Snitch with a cell phone. It is not the place of the pastor to tell their members how to vote and keep their 501 C status. They need to abide by the law.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 9, 2008 at 03:39 PM
"Separation of church & state" is not in the Constitution. That comes from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson some time later. But you also need to read George Washington's farewell address if Jefferson's letter predisposes your argument. These lawyers are defaming the very principles they espouse to uphold.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 9, 2008 at 03:16 PM
they do talk about tax's in some parts of the bible but people are going to church to worship there faith and worship is of the faith its call free will has nothing to do with who's running for office besides if you have gone to church long enough and know your faith political infuence takes a back seat no matter what

Posted by: Anon on Sep 9, 2008 at 03:08 PM
Churches these days are businesses. I agree. Start taxing the mega churches. They want to play in the world of worldly men. Let them pay the taxes that go with it.

Posted by: Anon on Sep 9, 2008 at 03:06 PM
Garbage like this is why I quit going to church. Christianity isn't what it used to be and I'm not sure I want to be a part of it. I guess Jehovah isn't the God of Christians anymore?

Posted by: Paul on Sep 9, 2008 at 02:51 PM
To Anonymous- America was indeed founded by bible-believing Christians and based on Christian principles. When they founded this country, the Founding Fathers envisioned a government that would promote and encourage Christianity. All but two of the first 108 universities founded in America were Christian. This includes the first, Harvard, where the student handbook listed this as Rule #1: “Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well, the main end of his life and studies is to know God and Jesus Christ, which is eternal life, John 17:3; and therefore to lay Jesus Christ as the only foundation for our children to follow the moral principles of the Ten Commandments." In 1777. Continental Congress voted to spend $300,000 to purchase bibles which were to be distributed throughout the 13 colonies! And in 1782, the United States Congress declared, “The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.

Posted by: john on Sep 9, 2008 at 02:26 PM
To the idiot critizing Rev. murphy - The Civil Rights movement was not about partisan politics and Dr. King was not running on the Republican or Democratic ticket. Under stand the issue before you offer a comment.

Posted by: Amber on Sep 9, 2008 at 01:40 PM
Let him say what he wants. If you don't like what he has to say, go to another church. Problem solved.

Posted by: Shane on Sep 9, 2008 at 01:26 PM
Anonymous....where in the world did you get that misinfo? The founding fathers were devout Christians and I have countless hours and pages of research to prove it.

Posted by: Debbie on Sep 9, 2008 at 01:12 PM
Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world, when one of his apostles suggested he grab political power. I'd be careful of false prophets if I were some of you.A preacher can say anything he wants, however, it's when he condemns others for their political party that he steps over the line. Oh and Andrea, I know plenty of republicans who aren't real thrilled with all the religous affiliations with politics.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 9, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Andrea, does it personally hurt you if a gay couple down the street is allowed to file a joint income tax return or be on each others health insurance policies? You may be against abortion, but don't you think it is better for the terrified 14 year old girl to get an abortion from a doctor in a safe environement than attempting the same task with a friend and a clothes hanger?

Posted by: LP on Sep 9, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Ok foks...no where in the constitution does it have the words "seperation of church and state"...BUT what it does say is that the state can not interfere with the church. It does NOT say anything else about it...furthermore...it is a pastor/preachers obligation to God to preach the word of God and to teach what God has to say in the Bible about the ways of the world..and if that means politics then so be it. ALSO...i will bet the majority of you are unaware that a preacher/pastor does pay taxes and pays MORE than the majority of us because he/she is considered "self employed" by the government. The CHURCH itself is tax exempt just like a lot of other businesses. It seems to me like the ones that like to verbally bash others are the ones that get their toes stepped on. There is an old saying. "If you throw a stone into a yard of dogs the one that yelps is the one that you hit".

Posted by: Judi on Sep 9, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Just because churches are not taxed does not mean that the government has any right to censor what is being said in them. The money given to churches are offerings to GOD not uncle SAM!!! If uncle SAM would take better consideration of GOD and his word, ALL would prosper. Do I think that the pulpit is the proper place for politics? NO. Should free speech be allowed YES!!! Why has a lot of people forgotten the foundation in which our country founded?? Why is this so hard for some. Is it greed? Gods people do a lot of good things with the money people has given for offering. Why destroy that or make it harder for churches to help those in need. Rest assured Uncle Sam will get his tax money somewhere. My America still has freedom of speech. I want to keep it that way. However in the process leave GODS money ALONE!!

Posted by: Sinner on Sep 9, 2008 at 11:25 AM
I am amazed that people can say God would not vote for Obama. I believe McCain has stated that he has committed adultery. Palin has lied more than once (i.e. trooper gate, not telling people she was pregnant). And she may have committed adultery as well. Abortion and being gay are sins. BUT adultery and lying are sins. God said a sin is a sin. I do not find where one sin is greater than another. This is a prime example of why churches have a hard time getting people to come to church. Gods says judge ye not. God also helped the poor and sick. McCain does nothing to help the poor. He wants to tax your health insurance and let people buy there own. God forbid you have a pre existing condition that would cause you to be uninsurable. The increase in taxes paid on health insurance would be more than the health care credit. I am always amazed how people can be against abortion and do nothing for the children who have these kids. How could God vote for McCain?

Posted by: Rob66 on Sep 9, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Some people here (Andrea) need to take a basic American History class. Educated Cristian Republicans like myself support the Separation of Church and State -- we know the alternative. This separation exists to keep politics out of your church, not the other way around. The forefathers were smart enough to create the separation of church and state because they knew (from experience) what the alternative is, and why people fled to this country in the first place. And, for the record, The Pledge of Allegiance didn't have "so help us God" in it until 1954 when we were all scared of the "godless communists". "In God We Trust" was not on a coin until 1864 when we were at civil war. If the founding fathers wanted it on money, they would have put it there in the first place -- they put "E pluribus Unum" on money, in the true American spirit. There is no law prohibiting politics from the pulpit, you just can't do it and remain tax free - another safeguard to protect your freedoms.

Posted by: booger on Sep 9, 2008 at 11:23 AM
I don't listen to preachers or politics. Can't believe either of them.

Posted by: Shane on Sep 9, 2008 at 10:56 AM
The "separation of church and state" phrase which they invoked, and which has today become so familiar, was taken from an exchange of letters between President Thomas Jefferson and the Baptist Association of Danbury, Connecticut, shortly after Jefferson became President. Jefferson believed that God, not government, was the Author and Source of our rights and that the government, therefore, was to be prevented from interference with those rights. Very simply, the "fence" of the Webster letter and the "wall" of the Danbury letter were not to limit religious activities in public; rather they were to limit the power of the government to prohibit or interfere with those expressions. In summary, the "separation" phrase so frequently invoked today was rarely mentioned by any of the Founders; and even Jefferson's explanation of his phrase is diametrically opposed to the manner in which courts apply it today. "Separation of church and state" currently means almost exactly the opposite of what it originally meant.

Posted by: ANON on Sep 9, 2008 at 10:48 AM
Would Jesus himself preach politics or would he preach to save lives? Politics has no place in the pulpit.

Posted by: MCC on Sep 9, 2008 at 10:28 AM
I absolutley believe that a pastor has a morale responsibility to inform his congregation on what each canadate supports. Then it should be up to the individual to decide who they want running there country. Your convictions will stear you in the right direction. I do not vote on a certain party but on what moral values the canidate has. No i don't believe God would want Obama as president. He is not 100% pro life and homosexuality is a sin. God detests these things. They are vile to him. Dr. Franklin Murphey you owe it to your congregation to educate them on the morale values the canidates represent. Do you want a non-christian man running this country who thinks it is ok to kill babies and have sex with the same sex. I think not. You don't tell them who to vote for, but rather show them what each canidate is about and let them make there own mind up based on hopefully the moral you have preached.

Posted by: PAS on Sep 9, 2008 at 10:27 AM
FREEDOM OF SPEECH ANYWHERE FROM ANYONE!!!!

Posted by: Lori on Sep 9, 2008 at 09:36 AM
TO Andrea, Sept, 9. I HATE TO BE THE DEMOCRAT THAT BURST YOUR BUBBLE OF LIES, but here goes...In God We Trust was put on US currency on Nov. 20, 1861. One nation, UNDER GOD.. was added to the pledge of allegiance on June 14, 1954. I would like to know how you republicans use your computer. An informed electorate is a powerful electorate placing the power with the people whic is what the founding fathers intended. I am a christian, but the bible I read states in Judges.. DO NOT JUDGE LEST YE BE JUDGED.. It looks to me like YOU will be the one judged for your actions. The commandment from Jesus was for us to love. That is what changes things. Not extraditing and condeming people for their beliefs. The conservative wing of the Rep. party has taken over. If continued, it will be the downfall of this nation. OUR CREED IS THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANTS and The ARTICLES OF THE CONFEDErATION. You must have slept in civics and history class.

Posted by: Aaron on Sep 9, 2008 at 09:06 AM
I think it's funny how Obama can go speak at African-American churches and that's fine. If anyone else goes to speak at a church then it's horrible and that church needs to lose it's tax exempt status. Seems a little hypocritical to me. Why is it okay for some pastors to invite politicians to speak and endorse them from the pulpit, but for others it's not okay. There's definitely a double standard here depending on 1) who the congregation is and 2) who the politician is and what they believe. Also the Constitution does not say that politics have to be separate from the church. It clearly states that the Government cannot declare an official state religion (like England). There's a big different between state religion and a pastor talking about politics. Trust me, the Founding Fathers discussed politics in the church.

Posted by: Cathy on Sep 9, 2008 at 08:44 AM
Everyone talks about our founders being clear on the separation of church and state. I wonder why they choose to leave it out of the Constitution? And as far as I know it was just mentioned in a letter written by Thomas Jefferson. So, I'm asking, how do you know the founding fathers were so endeared to the principle of separation of church and state?

Posted by: Linda on Sep 9, 2008 at 08:38 AM
The intent of the founding fathers was to not have a state sponsored religion that people were forced to join such as the Church of England or Catholic Church. They never intended for pastors to be silenced. Read some history and you'll find that the Congregationalist pastors thundered their political views from the pulpits and no one thought anything of it. Joining/adhering to any religion is not forced on anyone in this country and that is the intention of that part of the constitution. You don't like what a church/minister says? They have the freedom of speak to say whatever they want just as you have the freedom to say what you think about it.

Posted by: Kelli on Sep 9, 2008 at 08:32 AM
If you actually READ the Constitution, then you may be surprised. NOWHERE in it does it declare a separation of Church and State. If we can elect and praise a president, ie Bill Clinton, who openly committed adultery and lied under oath, then why would it be such a big deal to elect a president who pledges faith in God? There is absolutely no contradiction in faith in politics. The Bible speaks fervently of following the laws. People who profess the "Separation of Church and State" are usually the first to bring any connection between them to the forefront.

Posted by: Jay on Sep 9, 2008 at 08:28 AM
The seperation of church and state is vastly misunderstood. I'm pleased this story clarified the issue. In this horrible age of supposed convenience and "one-stop shopping" I suppose spiritual counsel re: political issues may seem fine but I find it ghastly divisive and wholly unnecessary in a place designed for worship and spiritual counsel. Ministers/Pastors/Rabbis or church leaders semantics aside-- should instead provide counsel about how to practically and actually make a good moral or spiritual decision--how to meditate, pray and properly use spiritual materials (bible, etc.) to rectify the heart w/ the belly-button. Poor decision making is at the root of many ailments in church, politics and society. Instead of preaching about candidates--which church used to be a political information outlet--do your job and focus on practical spiritual decision-making. Creating and producing better church/faith members would serve all and serve all purposes in question.

Posted by: Jeff on Sep 9, 2008 at 08:27 AM
To Andrea: The founders did not want "In God we trust" or "One nation under God" If you knew history, then you would know that those slogans came about in the 1950's derived from fear of communists and intolerance of Atheists. Religion thrives when separate from Government control....

Posted by: Elna on Sep 9, 2008 at 08:26 AM
And yet another reason I do not attend church in West Virginia. If ministers tell people how to vote..then we can pray in school!!! My religion, my politics, my business!! The groups of people here are too easily led!

Posted by: Joe on Sep 9, 2008 at 07:54 AM
How does Obama's church/black panther meetings qualify for tax exempt status?

Posted by: James on Sep 9, 2008 at 07:46 AM
Margie, the purpose of the church is to GO OUT and win souls. The purpose of the services on Sundays and midweek is to train Christians. The issues in politics today are found in the Bible. Welfare--the Bible says if you don't work you don't eat (2 Thess. 3:10). Capitalism--do your own work and work hard with out an overseer or a ruler (Proverbs 6). Private enterprise. Socialism and Communism is not Biblical which says to do your own work. Although the terms are not the same the principles against abortion and homosexuals IS in the Bible. There are many other principles but finally the principle of Individual sole liberty which is that NO MAN has the right to infringe upon the THE RIGHT to worship of another. If a preacher wants to preach politics that is his right. If you don't like that go to another church that meets your needs (which waters down the Gospel) or don't go at all. God wants us to preach against things that are against His Word and point them out-Romans 16:17

Posted by: James on Sep 9, 2008 at 07:23 AM
Apparently many people don't get it. The Constitution guarantees the right to religious freedom and it doesn't matter what your job is. Of course you would not know that because the Bible and prayer was taken out of schools in the 1960s against 187 years of COURT RULINGS saying that the Bible should be taught in schools. And of course several who have already written forget that the term "separation of church and state" is not in the Constitution and in 1963 was misinterpreted by the Supreme Court which took the Bible and Prayer out of school. Our country was founded on Biblical principles and the principles of this country are grounded and rooted in the same principles of the Bible. The abolition of slavery, taxation without representation, and the inalienable rights are God given. God established government to rule over us because without laws there would be anarchy. Benjamin Franklin said it best, "If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be if without it."

Posted by: anon on Sep 9, 2008 at 07:13 AM
Freedom of speech people! Take away that and you might as well throw your rights away too. What about gun control? Want those rights taken too? I do not think pastors should talk politics as I am a Christian too, however, they have a right to speak just as anyone else does.

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 9, 2008 at 06:27 AM
Hey Andrea, while it's true that "In God we Trust" is written on our currency, you may be interested to know that the founding fathers who wrote the Constitution were not Christians.

Posted by: Isaac on Sep 9, 2008 at 05:50 AM
No one reads there bible anymore in search of God's directions !! Now people read it to pull what they want out of it to support there own lifestyles. It kills me that preachers want to get involved in a world God said is controled by Satan and that would end up being destroyed. Remember ? Had it not been for God stepping in to destroy the world even the very elect would have fallen from Grace! The bibles main theme is man needs God to rule him for we can not do it ourself. That is why we have been allowed to continue since the fall of man thru Adam. God is helping us realize we need him,for a church to get involved in any kind of politics is saying God is not in control. When God said be no part of this world for it was to be detroyed that means "no part" It also means when it is going to fail,why else would he destroy it-Satan is running this show so you wanna be's can vote all you want but your voting for a system God said is doomed to failure!!!!!!!

Posted by: Wv Hillbilly on Sep 9, 2008 at 03:29 AM
NO POLITICS FROM THE PULLPIT I mean c'mon people God and politics r 2 contradictions n terms, we all know that, yes if the pastor wants 2 express his opinion then hey its his right BUT not from behind there NO WAYPastors r n a position of power n a church it would corrupt the church 2 b involved n any manner of politics, and did any1 think that this maybe a way 4 the govt. 2 get the churches 2 pay taxes as well they should I mean they r still n this country and were it not 4 this countrys freedoms they would all b practicing 1 religion if any at all so yes they should have 2 pay taxes 2 keep it go'n just like the rest of us. If u wanna see what non seperation of a church from govt. is go 2 this link and look at what China and MANY other countries do 2 "non sanctioned churches" www.persecution.com that'll take u 2 VOM read all about it. Voice Of the Martyrs

Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 9, 2008 at 02:30 AM
i do agree with seperation of church and state. one being like california and massachusetts telling people gay people can get married. Is not getting married a religious rite? and not a state right?

Posted by: Heather on Sep 9, 2008 at 01:16 AM
I agree with those of you who think the "mega churches" need taxed because they do need to be.. not the mom and pop churches with 15 members that have been going for generations, but the ones with 5,000 members and make over $100,000 a month.

Posted by: Andrea on Sep 9, 2008 at 01:15 AM
It's funny how you Democrats say to keep church and state separate because that's how the founding fathers wanted it but the founding fathers also wanted IN GOD WE TRUST in the pledge, the wanted it on money, prayer in schools and they wanted Ten Commandments in courthouses but YOU want to do away with it. Your going against what the founding fathers said must be, so why can't he? I don't think the preacher should preach politics but I do think he needs to remind his congregation of what God says in the Bible of how we should live, he needs to preach morals. Obama is not who God would vote for! Why would he? God says abortion is sin and so is being gay. If you vote for someone who believes in abortion and gay rights then God will judge you for it. The preacher does need and has every right to tell his congregation this.

Posted by: matt on Sep 9, 2008 at 01:13 AM
This is easily solved, start taxing his church

Posted by: Margie on Sep 8, 2008 at 11:32 PM
What is the purpose of a church-winning souls or politics? Wonder how many thousands of people would be saved if pastors used the time to get people saved instead of preaching politics? Wonder when hypocritical evangelical pastors will realize they are driving people away from church? How you vote is between you and God! As a Christian I want to hear God’s word not a pastors political beliefs! POLITICS SHOULD NOT BE IN THE CHURCH!

Posted by: Dave on Sep 8, 2008 at 11:32 PM
The doctrine of church and state separation was designed specifically to prevent America from becoming the type of theocratic government that our founding fathers came here to avoid. Remember that Great Britain was a theocracy at the time of the American Revolution. Also remember that Iraq is also a theocracy.

Posted by: Lane on Sep 8, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Separation of church and state is a wonderful gift from our founding fathers wisdom about human nature. Pull the tax exemption from any church that allows politics to be promoted in the church. If my pastor tried to promote a canditate from the pulpit, I would leave the church because I go for worship, not to be part of a political action committee.

Posted by: Cris on Sep 8, 2008 at 10:47 PM
I wonder how Rev. Franklin Murphy would feel if no one had challenged the segregation laws? Would that have been political anarchy?

Posted by: Lori on Sep 8, 2008 at 10:21 PM
The founding fathers were very clear about seperation of church and state. If pasters want to become political, then take away their tax exempt status. one more reason to vote Obama/Biden. If more conservative judges are appointed to the supreme court, individual freedoms are at risk. We have to have balance. Wake up America! Our very democracy is at stake here.

Posted by: Chris on Sep 8, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Put your money where your mouth is. If you feel so strongly that you should be able to endorse candidates, simply give up your tax-exempt status. Oh wait, then business would suffer. If you pastors were truly principled people and God's opinion on politics was that crucial to peoples' souls, then you would sacrifice a little of Caesar's money for that benefit.

Posted by: RoaneCo. on Sep 8, 2008 at 09:50 PM
Just pull the church's tax-exempt status and let them campaign for whatever party they want. We sure could use the money to make up for a small portion of what their man Bush has cost this country over the last eight years.

Posted by: Rod on Sep 8, 2008 at 09:30 PM
I totally back religous freedom. But our country was founded upon, and based upon, a seperation of church and state. The members and supporter$$ of these people need to speak up. They don't want the IRS to start looking into their coffers, especially the new "mega churches". If they start taxing them, we may be able to eleminate the national debt.......

Posted by: Ashley Decker on Sep 8, 2008 at 09:28 PM
I think they should be able to talk about politics as long as they pay taxes. They should pay taxes anyways. I am tired of listen to christians whining all the time.

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  • Posted By: news biasi saw video of people protesting coal.I DIDNT SEE people protesting being taxed into poverty,THE TEA PARTY.this is why more and more people are realizing the left wing so called news are being found out about their socialist agenda.where would t.v.stations get their power from ,if not coal.they can talk the talk,but can they walk the walk.all talk,no substance.liberal thru and thru...
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  • Posted By: food for thoughtYes I am a Christian. I do need to understand the book of Revelation more and the end time prophecy. Like most I have the concept of it. Just to make it short, government dependence(happening more than ever) and is almost being forced for the citizens of this country to rely on. Cap and trade?(sign of the mark of the beast?)I don't know. I am ready. You that believe in science is fine, I do too. I do not go as far as to believe every report they give out. I pose this question. if you are so worried about global warming that means you don't like heat or burning:correct? Hmmm, think on this of what in Revelation I do understand. The lake of fire is where the worm dieth not and the fire is never quenched. Eternity is forever, on this Earth we are just passing through.
  • Posted By: to whyno ,hetrosexuals wont go to hell any slower than gays.adultry fornication,stealing lying murder etc,are all sins.every one sins,it just that you cant say you want to be a christian,and keep on with bad habits or not want to change and expect god to say thats all right.life is a struggle for all of us.we are expected to repent and try our hardest to do whats right.god respects that.you are not in any more danger than any other sinner.i know that homosexuality is a sin but so is adultry.would we tell an adulter that its all right to keep on hurting their marriage and spouse and thats alright,no.i would rather live beside an honest caring,productive gay person than a dishonest evil selfish nosy buissybody any day.we are only responsible for our own sins and actions.you sound stressed,lighten up.but homosexuality is a sin,like adultry and fornication,nobody gets a free pass.
  • Posted By: PattyGood points, Htiek, but the status quo with coal mining, which is a dirty business, no matter how it is marketed, i.e., "clean coal" (coal is dirty, period), will remain till the resources are depleted, the land and environment of the coal fields are destroyed, which is pretty much the case at present.
  • Posted By: bonnOne more thing and I really will stop. Why does the weather cycle? I do not know everything-no one does. But everything has its purpose. Sometimes, more cold is called for. If we don't have hard winters snakes and mosquitoes thrive, for one. Mosquitoes are a large part of fish diet. And snakes keep rodents in check. But too much cold hurts other things that call for warmer temps. Quail is one thing that comes to mind that suffer in the frigid temps. We just don't understand all of the workings of these things. But it is all to keep a balance-many times in things we ourselves have killed off, such as bear and wolves. Even if we don't like some species, they all serve a purpose and nature helps keep that balance. Our world really was wonderfully made. With all the changes in temperature, we still have seasons. You can know it will be cold in winter and hot in summer. The excesses serve a purpose we sometimes can not see. Strive to learn of all of her wonders, not follow blindly.
  • Posted By: bonnI would like to apologize if I have been short and critical. I really am sorry. It is no excuse, but I have a very sick child who may be dying and I get so upset at the state of our world. I do have to quit reading these comments. But I hope I have caused a few people at least to think with their own common sense instead of blindly following whatever. Some theories may be correct. But many ARE for monetary purposes. We each were given a mind to think with. Question everything before taking it as it appears. And be sure and thank a veteran for the freedom we celebrate this weekend. Too many have died to protect it to just give it up willingly. And whether or not you are religious, lets try to love one another. Love can fix so many things! Try to keep our world clean, But that doesn't have to bankrupt us. We can all do our part in whatever ways we can. The old saying "Give a hoot, don't pollute" should not have gone out of style. And use your wikipedia to read "Ice Age" to see cycling.
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  • Posted By: bonnGood grief! The brain washing has gone so far it will never get better. Some of this way of thinking makes me physically ill in my stomach. All of one mind! Mindless devotion to whatever is contrary to common sense and whatever theory is being passed around. Most families have both parents working, some two jobs, just to make it now. Soon you won't even be able to work enough to carry your family, the government and the ones who won't work. Then you will be disposable and they will start killing you off because you can't give them enough money. But you will blindly keep following. It is easy to see how Hitler took control and how it is being set up for the antichrist to take control. I quit. I will never read another comment. And Kris, did that nut not know the sky has always appeared blue? Hahaha Goodbye. I know you will reply, but I won't be reading it. Never again. Either you believe God or the scientists. I choose God. And freedom!
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  • Posted By: Jane DoeTo Pearl: Thanks for the comment. I try to be an adult and make the usual comments and complaints, But how would you feel if every time you wrote something, Someone would respond back with their own opinions and say that you are wrong! Just the other day I wrote how my child was injured at Camden Park! Of course RoaneCo. had to write something and attack me about my decision to get angry about the situation. Yes, I agree that I should just turn the other cheek but I was raised to stand up for myself!! Why I'm a target I'll never know but I think that I have a right just like everyone else on here and to say my opinion on things whether people agree or not.
  • Posted By: Why?EVERYONE SINS! Why is being gay the worst sin that sends you "straight" to HELL? Heterosexuals can do all the "sining" they want and still go to heaven but LGBT can't.
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  • Posted By: HtiekWhat always amazes me about people in WV is their slavish devotion to coal mining even though it is killing the planet, costs more jobs than it creates, poisons the water, destroys the mountains, scars the land, kills the snail darter, and other horrible things. Things are all so backwards in this country why dont we switch over to something that lasts and is free like the sun and wind? Even if the president said that stuff and I doubt he did and even if he did you are misquoting him or taking him out of context he is right if there is one sure way to get people to stop turning their air conditioners down to 76 it is to raise the price, just like gasoline. People we can learn to ride bikes and walk again, just like they did in the old days, that will help give us exercise and decrease the obesity rate in WV. Food is another area, the slop that people eat like MacDonalds, trans fats, regular soft drinks, anybody with half a brain knows the intelligent thing to do is tax regular soda pop.
  • Posted By: GandalfA tea party? Oh my! I must relay this information to my friend Alice and the Mad Hatter. Door Mouse and Rabbit too. They will be thrilled! Oh my bad, must have picked out the wrong book today. Ta Ta!
  • Posted By: PearlRoane Co why dont you and Jane pursue your romance elsewhere the yell is for complaints.
  • Posted By: KrisJust throwing this out there. I'm sitting on my couch wearing sweat pants and short sleeve shirt. I'm thinking about shuting my windows and turning on my heat. Shouldn't I be turning on the air conditioner instead? It's the 2nd of July. Not saying it's global warming but it doesn't seem right. Haven't heard of any heat warning anywhere is the US so far this summer. Great for us but doesn't feel right.
  • Posted By: KrisHi Bonn, it is true that these cycles do occur over time. Scientists have taken core samples from the earth and the ice to show these cycles. However, none of the samples show such a dramatic change in such a short period of time. I am a smoker and I will admit that my second hand smoke can and probably will effect the lungs of a non-smoker. The tons of carbon monoxide and other pollutants that we release into our atmosphere HAS TO have an effect on our atmosphere. True story: there was a scientist that day after day after day couldn't figure out why the sky was so blue and clear. Then it struck him, there hadn't been ANY planes in the air for three days. That was 911. What you put out, is what you get back. If you put love out, you will get love back. If you put out negativity, you will get negativity back. For every action, there is a reaction whether it's good or bad. It's in our hands to do our best not to cause an adverse impact to our planet. Peace to ALL!
  • Posted By: Big EarlHello again good working coal mining people of WV this is the coal miners friend Big Earl with news of yet another hippie plot to stick there big noses further into our business now some of these people in Congress has throwed in with the tree huggers they are trying to make it so you cannot sell your house without some nut from the hippie EPA coming in and inspecting it to make sure you are green enough to suit there tastes. This so called cap and trade bill that these busy body do gooders are pushing on us will destroy our jobs and run up the electric bills so that everybody will have to live like the Waltons with 27 people under one roof just to keep warm. Now the average hippie longhair don’t care noway because they would have us all living in mud huts riding mules wearing sandals and weaving baskets to load down with califlowers and arougalas tofu and alfalfa to take up on some worthless mountaintop as an offering to there windmill god instead of having nice homes, cars, a job and cool air in the summer and heat in the winter ALL THANKS TO THE COAL MINER. Anything to bother people attracts these hippies like flies to a cowpie.
  • Posted By: to hteikhteik has 2 comment .the global warming one was hillarous.it was june 30.he must not have gotten the same public education i did,he was taught that we had satellites in colonial time.but then again he think algoe is really smart,he doesnt know al didn,t really invent the innernet.i think fox news and conservative talk radio would do him a world of good,he,d be shocked at what he doesn,t know.
  • Posted By: AmyHey Keith, I must have missed that interview because I was busy clinging to my guns and religion. No, really, I did see it. It's kind of strange how people become so shocked when this stuff is introduced in the House of Reps. Obama outlined every plan he intended to get pushed through and a lot of people just didn't listen. Next time I hope people vote for the best candidate not the best slogan. Yes we can....bankrupt the nation!
  • Posted By: Patriot1Tea Party: There will be a tea party in Grayson, Ky on July 4th. It will be held at the City Park from 4:00-6:30PM
  • Posted By: DaveThe seat belt law is no law. Its nothing but a deliberate attempt to extort money off the American people,use communist law and control the populace. THE PEOPLE HAVE NEVER VOTED ON IT, BUT THEY ARE TRYING TO GET YOU BELIEVE THAT IT WILL SAVE LIVES. TELL THEM TO GIVE YOU THE FIGURES ON ACCIDENTAL OPERATIONS.And if that doesn't satisfy you then why are we allowing our young brave soldiers to be killed,and for whom? WHY AREN'T THESE NEWSPAPERS BRINGING THIS INFORMATION TO THE PEOPLE? Because the nations 96% are owned and controled by the WEALTHIEST.
  • Posted By: bonnI was trying to make a point. Perhaps not in the best way. I get so discouraged seeing what is happening around us. One group of scientists call for us to spread soot on all the snow up north to absorb heat to counter the coming ice age. Another (more popular) group calls for painting our roofs white to reflect the heat that is melting our ice caps. Which group is right? Neither. Our earth is doing exactly as it has been doing all along. Cycling naturally. Did it plan it all on its own? Hardly. But no one wants to hear that. It reminds me of "chicken little" yelling "the sky is falling". Only this is not so funny-this is control. And what is even sadder is-people seem to WANT to be controlled. This earth will continue as always until one preplanned day it all comes to a screeching halt. Then a new earth will be created. I will not be caught off guard. I read The Book. I know where I will be. Do you? And do you really enjoy giving those schemers your money that much? I hope one day...
  • Posted By: KeithA few questions for the Yell audience: Does anyone remember when Obama gave that interview in SanFran Cisco and said that he would not prevent the construction of a coal fired plant, but his policies would bankrupt anybody that tried to build one? That policy was cap and trade. I heard O say that energy prices, under his administration, would "necessairly skyrocket." Is this the hope and change you guys voted for? How will you afford your electric and gas service under this man who cares so much for the poor? Obama said once that he was not bothered that the price of gas had risen so high, just that it happened so fast. How does everyone feel about the gas price? Obama raked John Pablo McCain over the coals for suggesting health care benefits be taxed as income, now he is going to do the same thing to pay for "free" care to illegal aliens, deadbeats, etc...but union workers will be exempt from this tax. How does that make you feel if you work for a living and are not in a union? H&C
  • Posted By: AmyHteik, "all is well" because people like us! Give me a break. If all were well, we would not have the largest unemployment rate in 26 years. The stimulus package would prevent it from going above 8%, remember? How is Iran not our business but Honduras is? The people of Honduras have a Constitution very similar to ours and we should support the people not an extremist who is trying to take over their country. The 22nd Amendment does a great service for our nation. IF it would be reversed that would be O.K too. At the rate Obama is going W. could beat him in 2012. At least I would sleep better at night.
  • Posted By: Just MeWow Jane Doe, give it a rest. I really don't think God would be please with this going on and on and on...healthy banter is fine, but this is not healthy banter. Christians absolutely can and do get angry, it's what they do with that anger that counts. It doesn't matter where, when, or even IF you go to church...what matters is that you have accepted Christ into your heart and asked for forgiveness of your sins. God didn't save us to judge others, he saved us to lead others to him. I've said many times...what if the person you just yelled at, told off, or whatever showed up at your church on Sunday? Would you be proud of your behavior?
  • Posted By: SophieRoane County is a beautiful place. The country roads snake along past fields, farms and old homes we wish could talk. Looneyville is indeed named after the Looney family, so is Gandeeville. My father was from Roane Co. & graduated from Walton High School in the 40's. He told me tales of his school days, friends, boyish pranks, old cars and the fun they had at the 4-H camp. Spencer was a big place to them. Roane Co. gave us many war veterans and kept distant family & friends together with the annual "Roane County Reunion". I don't even know if they still have it, but we used to go. I remember seeing Sen. Robert Byrd play his fiddle there. The Black Walnut Festival in October(?) is a good time to visit Spencer. They usually have a parade, arts & crafts and a museum. You can enjoy a slice of Americana, along with a slice of homemade pie.
  • Posted By: CraveontruthThe great Dale Carnegie once said "You never win an argument".Most of you know he wrote" How to Win Friends and Influence People'.Some of you should put this on your Christmas List.I think I will dust it off and revisit this old classic.
  • Posted By: cap and tradewelcome to ''before tax and tax'bill going thru the powers that be.look at your electric bills this monthe there is an enviornmental tax at 2.2cents for every kilowatt you use.can we even imagine what our electric bill will be,not to mention every thing we consume,food water ,every necessity that cant be done without.we in easternky have good reps.in washington,every one in surrounding states should put your so called reps a lot of pressure to defeat this tax and tax bill that is being pushed by a few people to make them richer and control every aspects of productive peoples lives.look at your gasbill also,you will see only a very small portion for gas but the rest in fees and taxes.look at your phone bill you will see a 100percent markup in taxes and fees.its time to put pressure on politicans to protect the citizens and not the lobiest.
  • Posted By: justanotherflysounds like jane doe is looking for an easy way out ie a lawsuit
  • Posted By: to bonni couldn,t have said it better myself.some things have to be explained like you are talking to a 5year old.but like some 5year olds that are stubborn and spoiled rotten they dont listen.wait till the cost of every thing sky rockets and they will be the first to rant and rave that nobody told them.
  • Posted By: Jane DoeTo my biggest fan, RoaneCo: Ummm! It's sounds to me like you have a lot of anger. You have to pick on everyone's comments! I think I speak for everyone when I say (Get a Job)!! Cause you obviously have none! You have all this free time on your hands! Why don't you spend this free time helping others instead of puttin them down! You know..WSAZ has job postings...Maybe you could find one on there!!!!I'm not a negative person. Maybe I'm just like everyone else that has a job and three kids and a lot of things to do! I get stressed out, I know that goes way over your head,You don't get stressed. But because you go to church doesn't mean you can't get angry about stuff!!LOL My father-in-law is a Deacon at my church and even he has a temper!! Look out craveontruth! Looks like RoaneCo. has found someone else to pick on!Good Luck!! Have a perfect day ( I know you will)!!
  • Posted By: RoaneCo.Yes Craveontruth, there is a place named Looneyville.(no Jane Doe that isn't where I live) It is on Rt.36, nothing there but the Looneyville Post Office, and I am not joking. There is also a Lefthand Post Office on Rt.36, always wondered why there wasn't a Righthand also. Our County seat is located in Spencer, (middle of nowhere) which for years was only known for its State Mental Institution. (no Jane Doe this isn't my Alma mater) It was closed years ago and now a Wal-Mart is on that location. I guess the only other thing to speak of would be the Black Walnut Festival which is held in Spencer every October.
  • Posted By: bonn, the simpletonDon't we have a smart earth? She formed herself from a dust cloud, they say and planted herself just the right distance from the sun to support the life she would create. She also filled her insides with molten heat to maintain the right temps and if that builds too much she decides to blow some out holes (volcanoes) to keep from exploding. She makes her own rain, knowing whether she needs a gentle soaking rain for her plants, or a gully washer to cleanse the filth. It pours down the mountains, into the rivers and out into the ocean which she just happened to fill with salt (her natural sanitizer). And she knows if she doesn't have ice she will over heat, but too much and she will freeze, killing her life she so carefully made. So she melts some, then as it heats up, she freezes more. All just coincidental happenings? She is brilliant! But not so smart as the humans who are making a fortune controlling the other dumb humans by convincing them THEY are causing her to do these things!!!
  • Posted By: passing by the yellI met someone from Looneyville once. It's named that after a person's last name from what I was told.
  • Posted By: HteikWell it is nice to see that the war in Iraq is ending under President Obama. Who would have thought, it seems the world is backwards right now, huh? Obama gets elected, the world understands our good will, and all is well. Just like history, Republicans start wars, Democrats finish them. Hate to say we told you so but we told you so, I just get fuzzy inside thinking about all the people that love us now that hated us because of that old Bush. Another thing too, leave this Iran thing alone, that is none of our business. I dont recall anybody from Iran coming over here to help us in 1776 so why should we stick our nose in their business? When you get a strong leader like in Honduras, a good strong leader with a military background, everybody goes nuts because the guy takes things over well I support him and Obama. In fact, some people are so needed we better start now to get rid of the 22nd Amendment, it was only put in by jealous radical extremist crazy Republicans to hurt FDR.
  • Posted By: CraveontruthI don't think I have ever been to Roan County.Nothing against the good people of that neck of the woods.I did enjoy looking it up on wikipedia.Is there really a Looneyville there? If there is then I must visit!Who's with me?
  • Posted By: food for thought2-10 years for almost killing a child? Where are our priorities? I know they are nestled in the mountains or wait lying deep in the ocean waiting for anoother person to adopt them and claim rights to the next whale that is proclaimed Shammu or Willy. Get real people lets protest these laws that allow some cook to wanna kill his child and only have to pay his debt of 2 - 10 years. Oh and Kris your right our God won't kill a 1 yr old or a 100 yr old just do to it. He would do it for his glory and maybe take them from being around a half heartened sadistic person that would do this to a child. Oh i love the lights and the A/C and my car, but most of all I love my GOD "Jehovah God" whom i think first and foremost for all I have, then i thank a coal miner and an AEP worker and a so on and so on.
  • Posted By: KimberlyRaising the WV Toll price? I see a lot of arguments coming from this. Where is all of this money going to? Mansion might be a good governer, but when it comes to things like this, it needs fixed. WV roads are awful and I know after all of these years, surely the toll money has added up to more than enough to fix these roads!!! What an awful awful idea!!
  • Posted By: RoaneCo.Bonn, people like you are the very reason I have stated that I respect ones right of freedom of religion. Although I have different views, I have no issues with anyone going to church and trying to live according to their interpretation of the bible. I think that is wonderful. I also thank you Bonn for being open minded and seeing the point I was trying make. And for Anonymous on Jul 1, 2009 at 03:11 PM, no Craveontruth and I are not the same person. We do agree on some issues, and disagree on others. And when we do disagree (speaking for myself of course) we do it without anger. Also, for Bob... sorry, it isn't working. I have a two year old that comes up with better jabs than you. But I respect your right to try.
  • Posted By: SophieJust a few comments on current Yells: Big Earl - I just can't read you anymore because it's the same things over & over. Yeah, we're with you - there are a bunch on weed-o's coming around these days trying to shut us down for the sake of some owl...We get it. We all hate it. Roane Co/Jane -It appears Roane has been very hurt in their lifetime by family conflict involving belief. Many people get hurt because of superstition & misinterpretation and overzealousness. It has been this way since time began. I hope Roane can someday get past the hurt & retoric to work out his/her own salvation. Simple belief in Jesus Christ is where it starts, the rest as I put it, is just "gravy". Jane: I'm sorry your child was hurt. This indeed must be reported. I got hurt @ CP one time too on "The Whip". It beat me so hard against the side I had a major bruise on my hip. I strained my arms trying to keep from slamming into the side. A fun thing was not so fun. No rides for me, anymore. Not there.
  • Posted By: I think RoaneCo. and Craveontruth is the exact same person? Who's with me?
  • Posted By: Big EarlHello good people of WV this is Big Earl and I for one am sick and tired of all these out of state know it all nosey people bothering us if it is not these smelly hippies trying to run our jobs off or rename the WVU mascot now they are calling the good citizens of WV fat. Well people I am here to tell you that this bunch at the so called CSPI and no you hippies I don’t mean the TV show calling us fat should look in the mirror they look like something off night of the living dead pasty faced scarecrows and beanpoles and what is so great about that. WV has some of the best staple foods anywhere in the world I have eaten paotatoes beans meat flour and corn meal all my life cooked in lard and I am not one bit worse off for it and can mine coal with anybody. People all the good foods we eat are natural growed in the garden or on the farm so it should even make a tofu eating hippie type happy. I am more bothered that two states beat us out in the race for the top so I tip my hat to the people of the great states of Alabama home of the best country music band ever and Mississippi but people of WV get busy we have to reclaim our title to best fed in the USA I recommend the Kentucky Fried Chicken with gravy and biscuits as a good place to start our comeback.
  • Posted By: RoaneCo.Actually Jane Doe, growing up I did attend church and read the bible. Being subjected to religion for many years I would not consider myself "confused" or uneducated. If one looks at organized religion with an open mind it isn't hard to see who is confused. For example, you have one bible yet there are numerous religious groups ( methodists, baptists etc...) that believe their interpretation is the only correct interpretation. This is understandable because the bible itself is very contradictive. In my opinion the the bible and organized religion is nothing more than a tool created to control the masses. Yet this tool has pitted man against man, brother against brother, state against state and country against country, not to mention the wars, death and destruction it has caused. I have witnessed in my lifetime many family fueds, broken marriages and busted churches at the hands of organized religion. I have heard the words of hate spoken by christians. I am not confused.
  • Posted By: To Fat EarlYou're losing! Ha,Ha!
  • Posted By: KrisGod does not control the weather!If so then he would be responsible for killing hundreds of innocent people every year in America alone! If that's your God, you can have it! My GOD is loving and compassionate. He would never take the life of a one year old nor a hundred year old just because he felt like creating a tornado that day or a hurricane the next. Get a brain and use it simpletons!
  • Posted By: bonnTo Jane Doe: I am afraid RoaneCo's common sense is more attractive than your comments. Read your last post at 8:58 and see if it shows the Light you are suppose to give. We are suppose to control our anger. Yes, we are forgiven, but it is not a license to keep repeating our faults. It is mercy so we can improve. Viciousness does not become a child of God. RoaneCo., may God forgive us for driving you and others away from Him with our failure to shine the Light of Love. And Jane Doe, I am the one you called ignorant just because I was showing compassion (another expectation of a Christian). It is scary about your child. But that person was not attacking your child, nor joking about it, only disapproving of your outburst. Not very attractive in anyone, especially one called to set an example for others to follow. If you must get angry, use it to accomplish something good. Christians are hated enough WITHOUT cause. Love is the answer.
  • Posted By: BobI think we might need to contact someone in state govt.about inspecting our amusement parks to many in the public simply dont care if kids get hurt this could have been something really really bad but I guess there is always a few who would crack jokes at anything even a child getting injured.
  • Posted By: cap and trade billyou wont hear on liberal obama mania news reports whats in the cap and tax bill.only conservate talk radio and conservative news are telling the contents of this country destroying bill.liberal dont want you to be informed,it would be to dangerous for their so called news networks.did you know that,as i somewhat understand it,that every house in the country will have to be at gov.standards before it can be sold,they will be allowed to change therules in mid stream if they want.even if you dont like conservative news,remember only a well informed person can try to stop tyranny.look for facts,have you heard 1 liberal news tell you whats in this bill thats detrimental to this country and freedom.i challenge wsaz to look up whats in this bill and report accuratly whats in it.i dont think thats going to happen.
  • Posted By: food for thoughtAMEN Bonn I could never have said it any better, being a Boone county coal miner and all. We do no get a very well reputation anyway.
  • Posted By: CraveontruthRoaneCo.can hurt but often the truth does hurt.I support RoaneCo.To Jane Doe,I believe RoaneCo.does know quite a bit about Christianity and is not confused at all.
  • Posted By: Jane DoeThank you everyone for your support!!You know RoaneCo. Nobody is perfect, That goes for Christians too! Are we allowed to get mad??Yes! But are we forgiven everyday? Yes!Obviously you don't know much about Christianity! That's why you critize so much!!You're confused!! We are not perfect! I guess you are!!
  • Posted By: VOTE NO ON CAP AND TRADEI know its a repost but i think its Worthy 'Liberty Or Tyranny?' House Passes Cap-And-Trade Republicans Warn Bill Gives Federal Government 'Virtual Control' Over 'Every Aspect Of The Lives Of The American People. Thank the Dumbocratic controled house as it will raise the average consumers power bill $175.00 This on top of the energy companies already asking for an inctrase will put such a burden on the American people that only the wealthy will survive.Please write or call our Senators they are the only life line we have left and ask them to VOTE NO on cap and trade. Republicans were overwhelmingly against the measure, arguing it would destroy jobs in the midst of a recession while burdening consumers with a new tax in the form of higher energy costs.And there was plenty to work on in a House-passed measure that pointed toward higher electricity bills for the middle class.Budget Office and the other from the Environmental Protection Agency — that suggested average increases would be $175.00 a year.
  • Posted By: cap and trade surveyagainst cap and tax,85percent.people who work and are productive.15percent for cap and tax,,,people who work for government or live off the fat of the land and dont mind other people being taxed into poverty....
  • Posted By: If new drivers would slow down and actually pay attention to what they are doing, then maybe WV would'nt have these new laws for teenage drivers. Personally myself I believe that all states should have this law. It would make the roads a little safer to drive on.
  • Posted By: bonnAbout global warming- our temperature is (and always has been) constantly changing. GOD controls it. Anyone who thinks we can are puffing themselves up bigger than we are.Are we suppose to believe we are responsible for the Ice Age thawing that is suppose to have happened way back when as well? How did that happen? Certainly not carbon emissions. Use some common sense and realize people are using this to line their pockets and gain support for their pet projects. I know- you don't want to hear this, but it is not realistic. Don't let America be controlled with this, PLEASE!! Let us remain free!
  • Posted By: BobDont worry Jane Doe I have notice RoaneCOs posts are generally always on the rude side I am sorry to hear about your daughter.
  • Posted By: Just wonderingthe 3 people that was killed on alt rt 10. 2 being st. joe's students. Did they ever release the cause of the accident?
  • Posted By: RoaneCo.I do care about the safety of our children Anonymous on Jun 30, 2009 at 09:01 AM, no matter where they are or what they are doing. Our children are our future. What I don't care for is someone like Jane Doe on here week after week preaching her little sermons all the while calling people ignorant and showing her hostility toward others. It has always amazed me how most christians will belittle someone else but the minute you catch them being unchristian like they always come up with the old "we christians ain't perfect". Well I know they are not, but by golly they are the first to judge everyone else. These hyporcitical self proclaimed christians are one of the reasons I turned away from organized religion years ago. I just don't agree with these people shoving religion on everyone else. I respect Jane Does right to religion and I would even fight for her to keep that right, but she, like so many others need to keep their religion in their church and their home.
  • Posted By: Big EarlWell hello again good working coal mining families in WV this is Big Earl and I for one am very disappointed that this cap and trade bill got passed into law the other day no thanks to our good representatives from WV. People all I can say is get a woodpile and a bunch of cow chips because your electric is going to get real expensive real quick. These hippies has run up to Washington DC and boo hooed to them tree huggers and longhairs in the EPA until they got even worse done to our jobs but then again what do you expect from a bunch that has a leaf from a dope plant on there sign like the EPA does if you don’t believe me look on this very website I seen a picture of it. Birds of a feather flock together that’s why the good working people were kept out and not allowed to talk at that hearing and the hippies let in. People these hippies has slandered our great state and coal miners first they bring in professor moonbeam from NASA to insult us then he tucks his tail and runs back to NASA and wont debate Mr. DB then they attack our state university mascot the WV mountaineer. Well people I Big Earl have a solution to this lets call WV the “Ivory Soap State,” make our mascot a bathtub that’s a sure fire way to get rid of these smelly hippies and longhairs and keep them out forever.
  • Posted By: MEWe christians are most always judged by our actions and that is to be expected since we are not perfect in any way. We all make mistakes every day,we get angry,we say things we shouldn't and act out our frustrations sometimes to those closest to us and our friends. We try to do better and ask forgiveness when we do stumble from our christian path. Actions speak louder than words at times, good or bad. Yes we adults act like children at times and children try to act like adults all too soon. We never know who we are influenceing with our actions and words so we need to always try to act,say and do what is right. As long as we are on this earth we will stumble but we should strive to be the best we can be and treat people with love and respect no matter how we are treated. I have turned the cheek many times and been slapped alot and will keep on doing it as long as I breath. My time will come soon enough to be judged as to the way I have lived and treated people.
  • Posted By: Jane DoeI love people on the Yell!!! They give me a chance to laugh everyday. Thanks guys!!
  • Posted By: just lookingUMMMM do you people think that christians are perfect??? Do you think we dont get angry?? Only one person is perfect and that is Jesus Christ...And if a christian says they are perfect, then they arnt a very good christian. We all have faults. Alot of you people cant wait to get up and look at the faults of others and criticize what they believe in....
  • Posted By: Patriot1Tea Party. There will be a "Tea Party" July 4th from 4:00-6:30 PM at the City Park in Grayson,Ky
  • Posted By: DonnaPlease! enough of Michael Jackson. He died, now he will appear before God and face his punishment for his sins against children. He was a morally bankrupt person who the media has presented as an icon. It's no wonder children are so messed up today,too much TV and not enough parenting. You too, are responsible for making him appear as a person to be looked up to. He and others in entertainment and sports are not what the children need, they need moral examples to look up to, please stop the glorification of immoral and indecent individuals.
  • Posted By: food for thoughtTo those of you telling me to watch out for Fox news, please go back and read carefully what I said about the media and the government. I thank each of you for your information. I am not out to attack anyone whether acclaimed or the average joe. I just know what I have read from reports and from different sites. This information is what our scientists, meteorologists and so forth use in reference to report the records of weather and temperatures. Again thank each of you, and at last Fox news was the channel the fine people at our local (American made) dealership had channeled on the tube, personally I just watch WSAZ, at the local level.
  • Posted By: Roane Co., why are you not concerned about the safety of small children at amusement parks?
  • Posted By: HtiekRight on Kris you tell em about Fox News. Everyone that watches knows that the dependable networks are ABF, Anyone But Fox. I am just like everyone else in the know, they lie all the time but please dont press me to cite anything specific as I am having coffee right now. I am new to your side, so pardon me if I get something confused. Those photographs of the ice caps are proof positive as far as I am concerned, these flat earth types that dont believe global warming should compare them to the satellite picutres from the colonial period and over the years since for comparison purposes. I once heard the hottest year on record was in the 1930s but what does that prove. And before one of you know it alls talks about Al Gore riding everywhere in a private plane and having such a huge house and running a company that profits from selling carbon credits, some people in life earn their special privileges simply by showing up and enlightening the rest of us, so there.
  • Posted By: polar ice capsthe weather is always changing.sometime it freezes sometimes it melts,thats gods doings,not mans.wasnt it the great mind of ted danson many years ago that explaind that in 15 or 20 years that the oceans were going to raise so many feet that it would destroy and overflo inward to apolipicate level.i guess the people that live on these coast lines dont know they are under water.we americans are so silly.let me explain what a great creator said,it rains but the oceans are never full.ice melts but the oceans never overflo.i think i,ll believe him instead of a.gore or ted danzen.p.b.s last week on a travel show,,i think,,,,the guide said the glacier there had been melting 150years.that was certainly before the industrial revolution.as for fox,world net daily,newsmax,etc.the liberal press has lost it monolopy on liberal so called news.
  • Posted By: RoaneCo.After you finish showing your true colors, go back and read my post again Jane Doe. Better yet let me cut and paste it for you. "I do hope your little girl is ok. I have children of my own, I know how precious they are." And just for the record, I would never "make fun" of a child, but don't think for one second that I won't point out an adult being hypocritical. Are you not the same Jane Doe that three weeks ago was preaching about God, then in the same breath calling someone "IGNORANT"? So let me say it one more time, I hope your little girl is ok. As for you, thank you for proving once again how kind, loving, patient and understanding some of you fine christians can be.
  • Posted By: KrisThis respectfully goes out to "food for thought" for what they said about fox news and global warming.FOX has great movies and tv shows but their view when it comes to the "news" is so far on the "right" way of thinking that it totally obscures reality in their opions of the subject at hand. They'll twist their views to make sure that it is opposite of "liberals" or people on the "left" and how they feel about the subject.Asf or global warming, we have actual time lapsed pictures of the polar caps melting at an alarming rate. You can actually see it happening. If things are cooling down, then why are the polar caps and icebergs melting at an alarming rate? The evidence is right in front of our faces. I sure do hope you're right because if I am, our planet is doomed. Sincerely, Kris
  • Posted By: JethroWHATS WRONG WITH YOU ALL UPDATE THE YELL!!!!!!!!!!WAKE UP!!!!!!
  • Posted By: KeithNever thought I'd sit around and miss Bush...well the wrecking ball has appointed a racist to the supreme court, one that is inept and incompetent too. Did you notice her latest ruling was overturned today? The economy is not getting better, those of you out of work have my sympathy because this clown is not doing anything to make it better. He never held a real job, never ran a business, just a rabble rouser and agitator. How do you feel about cap and trade energy tax? All over a phony problem that doesnt even exist; WV will wither away to nothing but hey we can all get jobs in the windmill factory, cant we? How do you feel about having your health benefits taxed to pay for Obamacare? How's the hope and change working out for everyone? What do you think card check is going to do the economy? Check out an article about Obama the African Colonialist on the American Thinker Website, dated June 25th. It explains him to a "T." Obama is a wrecking ball, and he's gonna roll over everyone.
  • Posted By: Big EarlWell hello again good working coal miners of WV this is Big Earl and people I have come to the conclusion that we need some friends in Washington DC that has got some clout. Some people up there has got big names but nobody apparently listens to, that is if they show up at all in court to help you out, those who are sick are excepted. Then there are some people in Charleston who should be in Washington who shall remain unnamed because nobody in Gov. Joes office asked me to say that. But remember who had that bunch from FEMA down here handing out checks before two weeks after the flood water hit and figure out who has clout. You people that went up for the hearing last week should be thanked but the good people never got to say a word but these hippies did, they are apparently now running around the creek with microscopes looking for fish that cant be seen with the eye, something called a microbe, now they are blaming the coal miner for killing off this worthless animal and I sincerely hope Captain D or old Long John will never put some slop like that on my plate when I want good seafood. If you dont see it it cant be of no good use anyway, sort of like a certain US senator with a big rich name who was nowhere to be seen last week.
  • Posted By: Jane DoeTo RoaneCo. How dare you critize my comment. This isn't just some fun arguement!! My child is hurt! Do you think that's funny? Do me a favor, Next time I write about my kids, Don't comment! I hope you don't have any kids because you don't see the harm and worry in my comment, You just want to fight and make fun of someone!! This is really serious!! I don't see the humor!!!
  • Posted By: Big EarlDid any of you people see those PETA nuts on the TV 3 news last night boo hooing about having to tie there dogs up hello again working people of WV this is Big Earl and I don’t know about you but I always thought it was rude and inconsiderate and just being a bad neighbor to let your dogs run wild all over the neighborhood digging up peoples backyards rooting around in garbage cans and doing there business all over the place. Have any of you people in Huntington ever lost a chicken to a wild dog. Even these back to nature types and hippies up here in Boone County tie up there dog to guard there dope patches but they don’t have no sense anyway if they aint going to Washington DC to try and rook us out of our jobs by carrying signs and yelling about some invisible fish that is no good to anybody they are screaming about the coal miner killing polar bears and other animals that don’t even live here. Apparently this bunch had the bright idea to go down to the park on Sunday down in Huntington when people was out with there families trying to walk around and enjoy things and they chained themselves to trees with real dog chains trying to get people to sign a protest petition to of all people a mayor named Wolf now I don’t know about you but that mayor better forget the beware of dog sign he needs to put a beware of the PETA nut sign up in that park.
  • Posted By: The Seeker@food for thought: It is indeed important to check facts, and it heartens me to see that you're of the type that actively seeks them (even thought I fall on the side of the debate that believes in climate change, as it has solid science behind it). However, I caution you on taking anything from FOX news at face value. This is an organization that in 2000 won a case in Florida appeals court in which the court ruled that FOX has no obligation to tell the truth to it's viewers, and can misinform the public under the first amendment. This is also an organization that has been proven to have an agenda, and frames every bit of it's coverage to favor one political party over the other. My advice is to seek out less obviously biased news sources, especially in cases such as global warming, which is an issue that transcends political parties and affects every being on the planet.
  • Posted By: HughHey WVa. Checkin out the YELL. Kind of quiet today. Enjoyed my visit there. Met John Henry at the Big Ben Tunnel,saw the big bridge. Stood at Hawk's Nest and viewed the scenery. If I wasn't so old and crippled, I'd bungee jump from the New River Gorge Bridge. Have folks who live in the Talcott area and some around Hinton. Well won't take much of your time today. Just wanted to check in.
  • Posted By: what is foor for thought?foor?? for thought, you do know Bush made those he commissioned to study it alter their reports when he found out it supported global warming, don't you? Anyone who just sees pictures of the ice caps 30 years ago and now would have to be mentally handicapped not to know there's global warming, the only thing that's possible to debate is the cause of it. Wonder why Fox didn't mention the Bush fiasco? Well I don't really wonder.
  • Posted By: more p.c at wsazgays in usa sounds like it was written by a gay person,so it was printed.it was,nt written by a gay person.it was a second thought,after i commented on other sins,such as adultry,but plainly written by a heterosexual person.it was not printed because im straight and not gay.so goes our country and freedom.
  • Posted By: Lou AnnIve had a similar bad experience at camden park several years ago. Havent went back since. The pricing is just another deterrent to doing business locally. I love this area but am very discouraged by the lack of pride in our appearance in several of our towns, the prices of doing business, the attitude towards the customer , the lack of merchandise. I could go on. We definately are not tourist friendly in the great ohio valley area.
  • Posted By: foor for thoughtLooks like my comment on June 24th may be right. I have done some reading about this Global warming fad the government is putting on. I was sitting in a local car dealership and FOX news was reporting on the government sitting or "burying" studies by two of the highest ranking EPA officials contradicting this myth. Some of the comments from their studies proves the Global temperature if anything has decreased. Although, you should be skeptical about anything the media reports especially when it involves the government these are facts that have been recorded over time. I ask how come when these bozos as Dr. Hansen whom is from NASA(which has done innumerable amounts of damage to our air with their testing) never mention facts as these when trying to prove things they are claiming is a fact. People we in America have became lazy in seeking the truth, I am not disputing anything these scientists and the government tells us, but as we learned in elementary school check facts of both sides.
  • Posted By: gays in u.s.a.another reflection on gays.if you think god doesn,t care about you because you,re gay ,he must love you more than you can comprehend,if not you could have been born ina muslim country.islam has no homosexuals ,they are not rehabilitate,just beheaded.as a loving and compassionate god says"GO AND SIN NO MORE".that doesnt mean just you it means all of us.yes god allows you to choose,he must really care.
  • Posted By: City of MiltonI'm glad that the City of Milton has so much money to spend and that they spend it wisely. Every time I drive through town on a nice day it never fails that someone is washing their personal vehicle at the VFD. Good to see that they budget personal car washes into the city budget. I think I'll stop in there today and see if I can wash my car as well...should be a nice day!
  • Posted By: ValorieAbout four weeks ago, I sent a letter to Camden Park with a friendly suggestion to open the park to the casual visitor again. As of today, I still haven't had a response from them. There used to be a small fee for admission to anyone who just wanted to visit. Once inside the park, a visitor could buy a corn dog or pay to play a few games or ride a few rides. Now people have to pay a full admission price for all day rides, even when they don't plan to stay all day. A lot of people are grandparents who just want to watch their grandchildren ride for an hour or two. Some are young parents with small children who tire easily. As empty nesters, my husband and I would like to drop by to get a bite to eat, play some games or just walk around. Everyone I have spoken to said they would visit Camden Park a whole lot more if they didn't have to pay the full admission price. I challenge everyone to contact Camden Park and ask them to give the people a choice!
  • Posted By: to gay questiongod is not a cruel and unfair god.we all have our faults.is homosuxality a bigger sin than adultry,pornography,lying,stealing, and the list goes on.the clue to these behaviors is wanting to make our lives better.we cant blame anyone but ourselves for what we do.if anyone doesnt change its what they want to do.but as long as it doesnt affect me thats between you and god.but it is wrong,just as cheating on your spouse is sin.would we tell the adulterer that its not sin and not to try being a better person,i think not.celibacy would be better than the same old behavior.these have been struggle since creation.
  • Posted By: RoaneCo.Losing your religion Jane Doe? What happened to "turn the other cheek"? I do hope your little girl is ok. I have children of my own, I know how precious they are. But next time you read of someone else being "furious" or commenting on their personal issues, maybe you should keep your bible quotes to yourself.
  • Posted By: Jane DoeI recently went with my church and my family to Camden Park this past weekend. Me and my 6 year old daughter rode the Spider, We thought it was going to be lots of fun, we were wrong! It was a nightmare! It went on for 10 minutes and was going way too fast! My daughter was terrified and was screaming! I was furious when the man that helped us off asked if she was okay and I said what do you think and he laughed!! I have rode this ride for many years and loved it, But this time I could tell it was different! But then it gets worse, A friend of mine that stayed at the park longer than us informed me that after we left, The spider closed down and said they had crossed wires and the ride was malfunctioning!!! My daughter can't hardly walk today and has a four inch bruise down her back! I'm taking her to the doctor in the morning. If there is something seriously wrong, I will be speaking to the owner and this situation will be takin care of!!!!!
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