W.Va. Gov. Joe Manchin's View of Sarah Palin
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Posted: 10:53 PM Oct 2, 2008
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CHARLESTON, W.Va. (WSAZ) – West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin has made his choice clear that he's voting for Sen. Barack Obama for president.

But when it comes to bipartisan work as a governor, Sarah Palin is someone Manchin doesn't mind having as a colleague.

"It was so funny. This past summer we were all together at an NGA conference and I said, 'How did you get involved?' She said, 'Joe, you aren't going to believe it,' and now the whole world knows it."

A photo of Manchin and Palin appeared Thursday on the New York Times Web site. It was taken at a National Governors Association Meeting. At one time, Manchin was the chair of the Natural Resources Committee, and Palin was the vice chair.

Manchin said the two mainly discussed energy.

"Tim Polante was putting together an energy plan that I didn't agree with. Sarah didn't agree with it, so it was bipartisan. We thought it was wrong because coal and energy and all we have in this country -- we felt it had to be used to our best interest and to be less dependent on foreign oil."

When Manchin is asked how Palin could help West Virginia regarding energy policies, he shifts attention back to his Democratic counterparts. Manchin also said that despite the comments Joe Biden made about clean coal last week, he knows that Obama understands the need for clean coal technology because Illinois is a mining state.

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Posted by: GOPOHIO on Oct 18, 2008 at 08:59 PM
Yeah he is gonna cut them.. LOL.. just like Slick Willie did.. same lies, sounds good too.. ( no taxes, free healthcare Yeah Obama is running on the same lies that Slick Willie did.. ( no taxes, free healthcare) and simple people believe it.
Posted by: Keith on Oct 10, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Obama is not a Muslim, GOP. Stop spreading filthy lies. Obama is the only candidate who is going to cut your taxes if you're making less than $250,000 a year. Vote McCain and we'll all be living on the streets. And to those voting for Palin because you think she's cute, are you that sexually frustrated??
Posted by: GOP on Oct 9, 2008 at 09:31 PM
I am from WV. and still have family there, so I have right to comment on Manchin's idea of Obama. Obama and Osama.. not much diffence.. except that Osama is proud to state that he is a terrorist,, and a muslim.. Obama tries to conceal it.. a vote for Obama is a vote for Osama.. and don't forget.. Ayers,,,, Rev. Wright.. and that Father Flanagan idiot.. go ahead and vote for CHANGE.. and they will change it alright.... to the darkside... Pure evil, demonic forces.. American haters.. shame shame shame on Manchin.. looks like he is another one from the darkside..
Posted by: Concerned Mother on Oct 7, 2008 at 10:56 PM
In response to my comment about the house being made up of Democrats IGNORANT People such as your self should not respond as of 2years ago the house was voted in majority Democrats so please do not call me your sweetheart. I am by know means IGNORANT I am very educated and smarter than your ignorant minded self. Before you respond do some research and get your facts straight. If you find I am wrong feel free to comment but I gaurantee you will be sadly disappointed terriost supporter!!!!
Posted by: News flash melinda!! on Oct 6, 2008 at 04:26 PM
Last time I checked, Jesus wasn't on the ballot....and he he were, you would be very disappointed to know that he would be a LIBERAL!!!!!!
Posted by: to ignorant concerned mother on Oct 6, 2008 at 04:24 PM
The laws you are referring to were passed by republicans sweetheart, you might want to take your own advise... :)
Posted by: jeff on Oct 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM
joe plz dont run again.. it will save the people from having to impeach you
Posted by: MELINDA on Oct 6, 2008 at 03:20 AM
TO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SHOUT OUT TRASH ABOUT RELIGION GRAYDON. LETS SEE YOU RUN YOUR MOUTH WHEN GOD COMES HERE, I WILL BET YOU YOU WILL SHUT UP THEN. I AM PROUD OF ANYONE WHO IS PROUD SUCH AS MYSELF TO TALK ABOUT THEIR RELIGION. SOME OF US OUR PROUD TO HAVE JESUS IN OUR LIVES EVERYDAY AND IF YOUR NOT WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHUT YOUR TRAP. YOU WILL FIND OUT IN THE FUTURE WE WERE RIGHT AND YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN WRONG. I VOTE FOR JESUS, DO YOU WANT TO ARGUE THAT POINT. READ YOUR BIBLE, INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT THINGS YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT. I WILL STICK UP FOR MY GOD AND SAVIOR ANYDAY. ATLEAST I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHERE I'M GOING WHEN THIS WORLD ENDS BECAUSE YOU VOTED A KILLER-TERROIST IN THE WORLD!!! I'LL PRAY FOR YOU BECAUSE APPARENTLY YOU NEED THEM!
Posted by: Kevin M on Oct 5, 2008 at 08:54 PM
I agree with Robert!
Posted by: graydon on Oct 5, 2008 at 08:47 PM
McCain-Palin are the worst thing since Bush-Cheney.Those who say they are democrats but are voting for them are either liars or stupid.Those who say they are voting for them because she's good looking are just stupid,along with those who think she won debate.McCain is very erratic in his speech and actions,and she is a power-hungry religious fanatic no true patriot would ever vote for.
Posted by: ROBERT on Oct 5, 2008 at 04:42 PM
JOE, I people of west virginia should vote out you . And the rest of your thieves up there like rockefeller . And every who supported hussein for president. he is a terrorist sleeper cell your stupid joe i am a democrat too so you need to wake up .
Posted by: John Wilson on Oct 5, 2008 at 04:03 PM
She has shown that she really doesn't have a clue as to what is going on . She has to be the most dingy person in office . After she got tore up during the debate , the national polls showed how Americans really feel about her. The result , Obama jumping to almost a double digit lead .
Posted by: Concerned Mother: Tired of Republicans being Blamed on Oct 5, 2008 at 12:40 PM
It sounds that only a few understand that the Bush administration is not 100% at fault for our economy. People, surprisingly Matt Lauer laid it to President Clinton the force behind Sally Mae and Freddie Mac he is the one who forced those lenders to lend out the money so all americans could have the AMERICAN DREAM their own home. Well guess what at least he was a success at someting and that is for our current situation. So PLEASE learn your facts before you shout off your mouth! I agree Bush has helped along the way but he can only pass the bills that the House approves of and LOW AND BEHOLD the house is MAJORITY DEMOCRATS!!!! And as for me voting or supporting a Governor that would vote for a Muslim after 911 not happening. Is McCain the right choice not sure but he is better than the alternative. As for Palin I think she is a fireball and down to earth like the many wonderful people of our great state. I think she is CHANGE, PEOPLE OBAMA IS NOT CHANGE WAKE UP HE IS NOT FOR THE USA!!!
Posted by: Tonda on Oct 5, 2008 at 04:40 AM
If u go to youtube u will find a clip of Palin doing an interview where she says she does not know what the duties of the VP are. Now that's a great VP to have. Obama is not Muslim, I'm sick of hearing this.I did not misunderstand Biden when he said he was not for clean coal. So the way I see it is we are screwed no matter who we vote for.However, I don't think we can take 4 more years of McBush.At least Obama wants to help (health care for all), McCain just wants to hurt (tax health care for all). Just one example.
Posted by: Pat on Oct 4, 2008 at 10:03 PM
To those of you who responded to my post: You are missing the point. Although I may not be voting for McCain, I can see why YOU might. I have different views, but don't think he is a fake. Palin, however, is a complete fake. She is the equivelant of a rock star who lipsyncs. You will never convince me that you truly feel comfortable with her possibly being president.
Posted by: What gives? on Oct 4, 2008 at 09:21 PM
Joe, If WV didn't want Omama months ago, why are you going against your supporters' backs and ignoring their say? HMMM! If Joe wants back in office, especially since the great citizens of WV voiced their vote in the primary to keep Obama out, shouldn't he listen to the people who VOTED him into office last term? Well, he may not since he only listens to the ALMIGHTY dollar.
Posted by: Palin supporter on Oct 4, 2008 at 09:14 PM
The funny thing is...it should be Palin running for President, not McCain. That way even Palin (VP candidate) would have more qualifications than Obama. It would be a more even race that way. It's time for a change..."Vote for McCain and Palin...since the Democrat Party is Failin'." Because Bush messed up our country does not mean McCain and Palin will. Heck! How could they make it any worse? It took us since our country was founded til 8 years to get where we were, and Bush put us back to the beginning in less than 8 years. Now I see why we need horse and buggy again. It all makes sense now.
Posted by: Someone on Oct 4, 2008 at 05:17 PM
OMG!! Everyone acts like this is a vote for President of the class in high school. Get with it folks. Listen to the facts or your going to continue to pay way to much for everything. Who will help people with small business's like myself. We are all hurting. Remember that!!
Posted by: Anna on Oct 4, 2008 at 04:01 PM
Anonymous at 3:42 PM is a sexist pig!
Posted by: Coal Grove on Oct 4, 2008 at 03:37 PM
I'm ashamed of both parties for what they have offered us to vote on.After 9/11 and the other Muslim bombings, how could anyone even think of voting for a Muslim? Joe Biden is just another Washington loud mouth and McCain just wants to be president before he dies. Have you ever read up on Palin? She's very qualified on the domestic issues.And as for her so called failed interviews with Katie Couric and the rest of the press, she knows what ever she says, they will tear it apart. So why should she answer and have the press tell you only what they want you to know? She's sounds rather smart to me
Posted by: the debate on Oct 4, 2008 at 03:35 PM
Palin didn't win the debate, she brought herself back to the standards she was at before her two wonderful interview's. She is a joke, a fake, and a fraud. You people are crazy. Biden supports clean coal technology and the B.S. youtube clip was taken out of context. Go ahead and vote for another Republican with the same policies that has been running this country for the past 8 years...You get what you deserve if he is elected...IGNORANCE!!!
Posted by: who cares on Oct 4, 2008 at 02:29 PM
Her looks may be the only thing she has going good for her. It definetly isn't her intelligence or knowledge. Sarah Palin=George Bush in drag!!!! When you are the leader of the free world, your looks don't matter, people!! Knowledge and intelligence above and beyond a degree in jounalism does...She has a degree in Journalism...wow. And an acedemic histroy of attending 5 colleges to get a degree in journalism? Mr McCain isn't in the best health, and for her to be 2nd in charge is a little scary to me....WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! THIS ISN'T THE MISS TEEN USA PAGENT FEATURING SARA PALIN OF SOUTH CAROLINA!! (Lauren Caitlin Upton Miss teen South Carolina, if you wanna know who she is comparable to) You people ARE ignorant!!!
Posted by: cindy on Oct 4, 2008 at 02:18 PM
I am a working mother and I was a great supporter of Hilary however I am not a supporter of a female that the Old boy system picked so they can pat her on the head and tell her what to say while she smiles so "cute"
Posted by: Boris on Oct 4, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Yes, the economic clmate in America was better under Clinton. But this had nothing to with anything he did. The 90's were the decade of the .com boom and there were more new businesses than ever before. If you're worried about WV, you better consider that Democrats historically vote against anything they perceive as detrimental to the environment. That includes coal, oil, nuclear, etc. Obama is a good orator, but if you actually listen to him, he doesn't really say anthing.
Posted by: Melinda on Oct 4, 2008 at 10:54 AM
The reason why he doesn't want to vote for Palin is because she actually works. And this dummy is voting for someone who wants people that pay enough taxes to pay more, how about all of our politicians pay our taxes and we don't for a change. Of course their going to vote someone in who promises so much good for us and doesn't give us a plan as to how to do it. We need to vote every bigot out of the capital, including manchin who pretends he's doing something. I vote for Russ Weeks, because he will tell you all the greed and dirty things Mr. Manchin does for his beneifts instead of the working people who DESERVE IT. I hope she gets in just so manchin will get out. But when she does I promise you his attitude about her will change, as with every politician does. BROWN NOSES! Atleast MacCain & Palin make sense when their asked a question. Obama & Biden talk in circles.....No wonder Manchin would be for that!
Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 4, 2008 at 03:42 AM
Shes sexy and I think that is a perfectly good reason to vote for her. You have the right men to vote for her jus because she is a hottie and don't let anyone tell you different!
Posted by: obvious on Oct 4, 2008 at 12:27 AM
Shoudln't he vote with the citizen's of his state? Sexism is alive and well in WV!
Posted by: Fred on Oct 3, 2008 at 11:56 PM
I'm originally from West Virginia. I hail from a long line of coal miners and farmers and I find it refreshing that Sarah Palin is going to be VP. It amazes me how screwed up the government is when we have so many harvard lawyers and hyper educated individuals who seem to think they can fix anything and yet these same people no matter how many times socialism and government interference fails they still place faith in Government. Well I think it is time to stop giving them more responsibility. Why would anyone with any grasp on reality think bigger more involved government is the answer. We saw this week the results of good intentions good wrong where banks were regulated by government and encouraged to grant high risk loans. Now we own them. Congress didn't buy only buy a lemon with this bailout they bought a rotten one. Sarah Palin can't possibly do worse than any of the other yahoos up there and if she knows how to skin a moose I think she can skin a few pigs on capital hill.
Posted by: Sandman on Oct 3, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Of course he is, they have to try and keep WV a welfare state so it can continue to be a democrat's state. KEEP WORKING REPUBLICANS !! MILLIONS ON WELFARE DEPEND ON YOU !!!
Posted by: ANN on Oct 3, 2008 at 11:23 PM
AT THIS POINT WHAT WORRIES ME IS PEOPLE LIKE WRITEITDOWN WHO TALKS ABOUT THE BIBLE. HOW COULD ANY ONE SAY THAT ABOUT THE BIBLE. I AM AGAIST KILLING OUR LITTLE BABIES WHAT IF YOUR MOM WOULD HAVE HAD ABORTION INSTEAD OF YOU. I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU
Posted by: Bubby on Oct 3, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Speaking of being qualified, from the looks of things in this country none of our leaders are qualified so let's not pick on Palin. She may be the diamond in the rough that this country needs. I supported Bush and I'll admit that, and I'll also say that I regret it with a passion, but I can't hold all republicans accountable for his poor leadership. I detested Bill Clinton because of his immoral shananigans, but I must admit that from an economic standpoint our nation was far better under his leadership. What it boils down to in my opinion is that you can't straighten out such a godless country as we live in. We can fix a piece here, and patch a piece there, but overall we will never be a healed nation until we truly understand where we came from and where we're going.
Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 3, 2008 at 10:29 PM
I think that Billy boy needs to use the head on his shoulders when he votes. If you vote for someone just because they are hot, then you should be voting for miss playmate of the year not voting for the next prez. Grow up.
Posted by: Palin Is An Idiot on Oct 3, 2008 at 09:24 PM
Why can't you people see that Palin has no clue what she's doing? If you support her, you obviously don't know anything about her.
Posted by: Brian on Oct 3, 2008 at 06:31 PM
It could be worse folks. I'd rather have Joe running things than the total idiot we have in Frankfort right now!!
Posted by: 2 face joe on Oct 3, 2008 at 05:44 PM
Joe could not give a definitive answer like Palin - so now we know where he got his training - at those governor association meetings. Its time for Joe to go and for Ron Paul to be President
Posted by: Writeitdown on Oct 3, 2008 at 04:20 PM
How can you people put a republican back in office after seeing what Bush has done to this country. Write it down, four more years of McBush and our country as we know it is gone. You can laugh, say I'm cazy or whatever you want but that is my prediction. So run out and vote for another fine christian who is against abortion and gays and all that other bible thumping B.S. and sit back and get what you deserve. A $700 billion bailout isn't gone to save us next time. Not that I think this one is going to save us.
Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 3, 2008 at 03:57 PM
THANK YOU, CHRIS!! FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SOME SENSE
Posted by: ANN on Oct 3, 2008 at 01:35 PM
I AGREE WITH BILLY I AM A DEMOCRAT WHO VOTE FOR THE PERSON NOT THE PARTY. I FEEL OBAMA IS THE WORST OF WORST AND WILL CAUSE THE U.S. ALOT OF HARD ACHE. WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WHO WE ARE VOTING FOR COULD THERE BE A WOLF IN SHEEP SKIN.
Posted by: Joe on Oct 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM
MC-FAIL-in!
Posted by: Joey on Oct 3, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Manchin gets along really well with Barney Frank
Posted by: Phil on Oct 3, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Joe our country is in trouble,no time to be sniffing around!
Posted by: Mindy on Oct 3, 2008 at 12:23 PM
I am a teacher and my husband a WV coal miner. We are both registered Democrats. At first we were all for Obama. however, we have seen to many flip flops on issues. The final straw was the Biden comment on coal. In Nov. we will be voting Rep. for the first time ever. As for Palin, "You go girl".
Posted by: Votes on Oct 3, 2008 at 12:16 PM
I agree that this is the smartest thing that he's said in a long time. I also agree that people are rude. No one cares about anyone but themselves anymore. What happened to the compassion we had after 9/11?
Posted by: Jess on Oct 3, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Biden beat Palin hands down in the debate. She avoided answering almost all the questions. Check out all the major news channel poll's you will see Obama/Biden are in the lead even on fox news shocker i know but true. Sorry McCain/Palin supporters but this election is Obama's no matter what you say. Palin will soon be back at her house sitting on her front porch looking at Russia gaining more foreign affair experience. I have been looking at the stars at night I think im well on my way to being a qualified astronaut........Obama/Biden 2008
Posted by: Palin Fan on Oct 3, 2008 at 10:23 AM
I think that America is sick and tired of the "good ole boys club" in washington!! Palin represents a change to me. It really doesn't matter to me if the VP candidate were male or female WE NEED CHANGE!! Biden is a memeber of the "good ole boys club" not to mention the fact that he is a hot head. If something were to happen to Barack Obama in the white house we do not need this iron fisted hot head in the office. We need someone who would be able to sit down with world leaders in a calm manner. Palin fits this. She may not have as much experience but let me ask you this where has the "GOOD OLE BOYS CLUB" experience gotten us? Higher Taxes, Higher Food Prices and Higher Gas!! who needs this experience. Palin will be just fine in the VP role she will have plenty of advisors that would be by her side. The only thing I got from the VP debate from Biden was attacking the Bush administration. What exactly was it again that he stood for I don't think that he actually addressed that!!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 3, 2008 at 10:03 AM
I agree wholeheartedly with Pat; however, it is Obama that is not nearly qualified, not Palin, and of course he is the one running for President, not VP. What has he done? US Senator for two years, most of that time spent running for President, State Senator, with most of the time spent running for US Senator and the all too critical role of Community Organizer. Palin stint on the PTA gives her more qualifications than Obama and his "community organizing".
Posted by: jim on Oct 3, 2008 at 09:49 AM
Sorry Joe, You gotta go!
Posted by: Joe on Oct 3, 2008 at 09:39 AM
Ol' Joe, always dealing from the bottom of the deck..
Posted by: Bobsowv on Oct 3, 2008 at 09:08 AM
To Pat: Why do you think Obama is qualified? Why would he be good for WV. I would rather have Danny Jones than Obama, I know he is more qualified. Manchin knows Obama is not what's better for WV and Coal.
Posted by: charles carroll on Oct 3, 2008 at 08:46 AM
According to Joe he was the captain of his high school football team so he knew there was a need to spoon feed this voting statement to all us West Virginians ,so that we would know what to do on election day . So Govenor Manchin and Govenor Sarah Palin were sitting in chairs together ? Sounds cozy I wonder if they discussed hockey scores or the ramp festival , did she say "what do ya know Joe" boy a picture on the NYT web site this will put us on the map now !Oh yea on bridge day maybe sarah can come and jump I would love to see that red suit flappin in the wind on the way down .
Posted by: Chris on Oct 3, 2008 at 08:36 AM
How the heck is Barack Obama qualified to be president?
Posted by: nancy jane on Oct 3, 2008 at 08:17 AM
LETS HEAR IT FOR SARAH !!!!!! YOU GO GIRL,, YOU KICKED BUTT LAST NIGHT !!!!!!!
Posted by: Happy on Oct 3, 2008 at 08:15 AM
I couldn't be more happier...I was excited at how the debate played out...Sarah Palin has what it takes...Finally, someone who truly understands...when Biden made the comment he made good money and owned a "beautiful" home --I can honestly say it bothered me..so what...I know he "earns" his money, but why gloat...I mean I work very hard too ...I believe Sarah is true to her soul.
Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 3, 2008 at 07:33 AM
If this war was'nt going on who would you vote for? this is the question i keep running thur my mind.things have already changed i see it i feel it every time i go out some people have changed already i have notise people walking right in front of you being so rude i have never in my life had much but i do no how to respect people 2008 MCcain all the way
Posted by: Pat on Oct 3, 2008 at 07:31 AM
This is the smartest thing I've heard about our govenor say in a long time. We know that biden is not for Coal at all. He made that very clear by what he didn't say.Go, Manchin, support the team that will help our state!!
Posted by: Wakeup on Oct 3, 2008 at 06:50 AM
Stop thinking with the wrong head and stick with your party Joe.
Posted by: Brian on Oct 3, 2008 at 06:42 AM
Well Pat, based on your view of what is qualified, we can say the same of Senator Obama. As he has spent the vast majority of his term in the senate running for President, and seemingly his primary function nowadays is public speaking. As well, his speeches are given in an articulate, informed, manner. So, based on the criteria of you post, what is ANYTHING is the true difference between Governor Palin and Senator Obama?
Posted by: BILLY on Oct 3, 2008 at 06:28 AM
MY DADDYS A DEMOCRAT, MY GRANYS A DEMOCRAT, HECK MY COON DOGS A DEMOCRAT, AND IM A VOTIN FOR PALIN DAG GONE THAT GIRLS HOT. BIDEN IS A MEAN OLD GEEZERS WHO TURNS PEOPLE OFF.
Posted by: jtb on Oct 3, 2008 at 06:18 AM
well people ya know how bubba joe is gonna vote he dont care how the people from his state votes or who they want in office even though the wv folks didnt support obama he n our state seantors endorsed ombama
Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 3, 2008 at 06:17 AM
was'nt she wonderful this woman is a go getter'and beside's that she's pretty.i feel like her and mccain will get the job done you dont hear her saying it take's a village to rsise our kids it take's a mom and a dad to get the job done
Posted by: Anna on Oct 3, 2008 at 06:17 AM
If by "smoked" you mean "showed her lack of experience and knowledge of the current state of national affairs", then I agree with you 100%!
Posted by: frank on Oct 3, 2008 at 06:09 AM
Hey Pat she is more qualified than Obama and like you said anyone can give a speech she won and if you dont think she won you didnt watch the debate
Posted by: Frank on Oct 3, 2008 at 04:55 AM
W.Va.Joe Manchin's View Of Sarah Palin Was Rude and Uncalled For. I'm Glad He's Not Gov. Of Kentucky, and I Thought He Was A Nice Man ! Scrap That Thought !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: bill on Oct 3, 2008 at 01:38 AM
I am afraid Gov. Manchin is going with party politics as usual. We need someone who will put coal and natural gas high in the mix of fuel choices for the future. I just don't see Obama doing that.
Posted by: Rose on Oct 3, 2008 at 01:20 AM
You just never know who he might vote for behind that curtain! Hahaha!
Posted by: saide on Oct 3, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Joe is going to say whatever the party tells him There is no way he will say anything good about republicians even when they would be the best for coal. Joe Biden said all I need to hear in the video clip about how he feels about coal.
Posted by: AMANDA on Oct 2, 2008 at 11:43 PM
HA HA A WOMAN SMOKED THAT OLD GEEZER IN THAT DEBATE HANDS DOWN. YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Pat on Oct 2, 2008 at 11:31 PM
I just don't get it. Does anyone really think Palin is anywhere near qualified? Anyone can give a speach. If you a truly for McCain, his choice for VP has to make you angry, since it was such a horrible political move.
Posted by: dru on Oct 2, 2008 at 11:29 PM
well thank god the 2 can put their differences aside and work together. you don't see that too often.
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