UPDATE: Former Firefighter Voices Safety Concerns
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Posted: 8:31 PM Nov 18, 2008
Last Updated: 9:18 PM Nov 19, 2008
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CHARLESTON, W.Va. (WSAZ) -- For former Charleston firefighter Eric King, it's a Catch-22. The National Fire Protection Agency recommends a firefighter not have a pacemaker and continue on the job. So, King was fired from the department.

Here's where the catch comes in, according to King. He said it was a job-related test that he doesn't believe always follows those NFPA guidelines that caused his medical condition to begin with.

"They routinely send people to the hospital, most of the time they will pass out, they'll get fluids in them and they will be fine," King said. King told WSAZ Tuesday by phone that (they) "act like it's funny to break someone down and send someone to the hospital. "

King blames the test for his pacemaker and his diagnosis of bradycardia. According to King and his doctor, his cardiac health was fine prior to taking this test.

Local IAFF President Myron Boggess said needing treatment at the test is just like needing treatment at the scene.

"There is people who pass out on the fire scene, there is people that have to take oxygen on the fire scene, there are people that have to take IV fluid on the scene," Boggess said. " I don't understand what the difference is."

King said he was among three people taken to the hospital because of the Charleston Job Related Skills Test. The class only had 10 people.

When it comes to enforcement, NFPA guidelines are not black and white. During testing a medic is on the grounds, but not closely monitoring the test. Based on the NFPA standards, someone should be watching, according to King. He also believes the amount of time firefighters should be in their gear needs to be examined.

One firefighter who serves as a medic at the test from time to time agrees with King in part. Steve Haga has been a Charleston firefighter for more almost 10 years, and told WSAZ.com Tuesday, "Repeatedly they've had people that require attention after the test. That tells you, one, either the test is flawed or the preparation for the test is flawed. "

Dr. Paul Davis, PhD., is an expert in physical fitness and employment standards. He is a retired firefighter and paramedic. He took a look at the test and said he saw nothing wrong with it.

He did wonder why veteran firefighters weren't taking the test biannually.

Chief of Operations Rodney Winter told WSAZ.com that it's a logistics issue. That's because the department uses the Charleston Civic Center parking garage for its testing. He said, however, that he would like to see a department physical test.


Original story
CHARLESTON, W.Va. (WSAZ) -- Firefighters face dangerous situations every single day. But now, one former probationary Charleston firefighter claims the group's biggest danger might be coming from the department itself.

Eric King is speaking out, saying that life has changed drastically for him and his family since he took the Charleston Fire Department's Job Related Skills Test.

King is 34 years old. He now has a pacemaker and was diagnosed with bradycardia. Bradycardia is a condition that means your heart beats less than 60 times a minute. King said up until he passed out from heat exhaustion during the skills test, he had a clean bill of cardiac health.

"I got hurt taking a test, and they continue to take that test after numerous people have been hurt taking the test, and nothing is changing on it," King said. "I am afraid someone will get seriously injured."

The test is a series of job-related skills probationary firefighters must complete to become a full-fledged member of the Charleston Fire Department. That includes everything from tying knots to using a sledge hammer, to climbing a ladder and pulling a mannequin. The goal is to simulate what happens in the field, and to make sure members are not only proficient but efficient.

Myron Boggess is the president of the local chapter of the International Association of Firefighters.

"It is a hard test," Boggess said. "If it wasn't, anyone could do it. You have to have some kind of a gauge set to where people either pass or they fail."

There is no time limit on the test, but the average length is about an hour. King said he'd been in his turnout gear for about that long when he passed out. He said he was almost done.

"I don't disagree with those skills needing to be tested," King said. "But to have it all in one and to run people for over an hour in full gear -- that is crazy; it's absolutely ridiculous. They are going to end up killing someone."

According to the Charleston Fire Department's chief of operations, more than 100 fire fighters have passed the test. Two breaks -- each lasting two minutes -- are provided during the test.

Each day leading up to the test and even once the test is over, firefighters are allowed an hour during their scheduled shift to work out in the fire department gym. They are encouraged to do the same on their days off.

The test requirement started back in the 1990s.

Danny Anderson is the IAFF secretary/treasurer. He believes the test prepares a firefighter for any day on the job.

"I like to feel like the Charleston Fire Department is the best fire department in the state," he said. "I feel like we set our standards and goals above and beyond. Because that way when we go to fight a fire or have to rescue a person or cut someone out of a car, whatever it may be that we have to face, we are going to be above and beyond ready to handle that challenge."

Boggess said that he never heard any complaints about the test until he found out King's situation was brought to the attention of WSAZ.

King was let go from the job because he uses a pacemaker; that is a guideline put in place by the National Fire Protection Association. NFPA is a a standard-setting group for fire departments across the nation.

King is appealing his workers' compensation claim, which was previously denied.

Charleston City Manager David Molgaard said that is why the workers' compensation appeals process is in place.

"Better to understand the physical capabilities during a test than during a true emergency where other peoples lives and the lives of their coworkers are really at stake," Molgaard said. "To the extent he had a physical condition that manifested itself during a training exercise or a test, it might have been for the better."

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Posted by: MrAnderson on Nov 24, 2008 at 12:55 PM
I doubt it that a Huntington Fire Department meber made the comment that was posted because I some of them and have found them to be far better quality than that. The statement that our department is the best is a matter of pride and from my point of view we are. However the fact is we all try to do our best in our line of work which really makes all of us come up to the highest of standards. We are Paid Prfessional Firefighters. We are willing to go that extra mile when it commes to risks and dangers. Yes our test is rigorous but so is our job in the real life. I hope we continue the test so we don't have to find out that someone couldn't handle the job in ral life and then we have to dress in our Class A uniforms and march down that long funeral procession. As I probationary firefighter I had not been a volunteer so it was ll new to me. Yet I knew in order to complete my probation I had to prove myself worthy by preparing to take the tests that were ahead. Thanks to those who worked.

Posted by: Jody on Nov 21, 2008 at 09:12 AM
I am intrigued by all of the comments stating the test did what it was suppose to do. I failed the test and it is on video (video in which WSAZ has) the only reason I was not terminated was due to the fact I have documentation that would crucify certain members of the Charleston Fire Department in the court of law. So there are free passes and I am proof of that. There is no denying this and all you have to do is email WSAZ and request they show this video footage.

Posted by: Joseph on Nov 20, 2008 at 11:47 PM
I agree, the bashing between the paid guys and the vollies needs to stop. It's childish. The point of this story is of Eric King. Yes tests are designed for people to pass or fail, not send people to the hospital. Every person at CFD needs to take the same test or maybe the CPAT test every year to test their physical ability, and yes that includes everyone from a new hire to the chiefs. Eric's condition resulted from an overload of physical strain on his heart. What kind of excuse is Rodney Winter tryin to make..."It's a logistics issue..." Logistics has nothing to do with a guy gettin a pacemaker put in because his heart got overloaded. Let's look up NFPA 1584, I believe it's covers incidents and training exercises, and wouldn't the test fall under training exercises? If CFD is going to follow NFPA, they should follow all the guidelines of the NFPA not just the ones that benefit them.

Posted by: cfdfirefighter on Nov 20, 2008 at 08:31 PM
When you come on this job you are given a list of things that have to be completed to get off probation and be retained. This test is one of those things. You can't come in and lay on your back and expect a free pass, it must be earned. This is why America is the way it is, no one takes responsibility and everyone want something for nothing. The test is a good factor of your mental and physical limitations and works great. If there was something wrong with it then how does everyone else pass?

Posted by: bob on Nov 20, 2008 at 04:40 PM
The test make since on how it is done. A Firefighter never knows how long there going to be in there gear. this is a good way to see how a person will react to extreme conditions an how they can handle themselves. Plus it will ensure the safty of fellow firefighters. So i dont see a thing wrong with the test measureing ones abuilty to handle an extreme accident

Posted by: firefighter on Nov 20, 2008 at 04:13 PM
I too am a Charleston Firefighter and it is time that we(all firefighters)paid or vollys need to stop the childish bashing of one another. Its time to focus on the story at hand, whether this test should be done away with or modified somehow. Like the earlier comment as long as we act like a bunch of goon how do we expect to gain any respect from our peers, our legislative officials and more important the PEOPLE that require our help on a daily basis. Let the investigation follow through. Eric sorry for your unfortunate events and i hope all works out for you. Looking through the comments though your story has drifted off the point and has been a bunch of disrespectfull goons toward oneanother in the fire service

Posted by: David on Nov 20, 2008 at 01:51 PM
This test did what it was intended to - weed out an individual who was unable to perform the job. With all due sympathy to King, look up the definition of bradycardia - nowhere is there even a hint that physical exertion might be a cause or trigger. As I understand this, a probationary firefighter has one year to master all physical and written exams/requirements. If at the end of that year he is unsuccessful in meeting those requirements he is not OFFERED a position in the department. THAT is what happened to King. He never made it past probation. Perhaps before offering opinions, this reporter should have spoken with the females who WERE able to successfully complete this test. It would be nice if fires limited themselves to half hour increments but that's not reality. I'm truly sorry life has given this gentleman a bad hand. But I don't believe CFD is to blame. No one, not the city or Workman's Compensation is responsible in this instance.

Posted by: wvgallll on Nov 20, 2008 at 01:22 PM
waht about kings comment that they think it's funny when people go to the hospital... yeeehaaww good ole boys, knock em down then try to bring them back up, when they are hooked to an IV way to train

Posted by: sugar creek george on Nov 20, 2008 at 10:41 AM
steve haga is right, if all these other guys passed the test, then they small percent that fail should be look at to see why, the test works..... so it must be the preparation, if they are alotted a hour a day a exercise, are they doing that, maybe is should be mandatory and biannual department testing, bravo sounds like another common sense ideal that was over looked

Posted by: hill billy deluxe on Nov 20, 2008 at 10:30 AM
all FD's have problems, tests, administrative, training, funding, maintenance,... etc if all of the cry babies out there would quit complaining and try to work together instead of pointing fingers and saying how one departments problem arent as bad as some other department problems and there for one superior than the other, fact is change is needed, and whining like a bunch of school girls isn't getting it done

Posted by: fakmegoo on Nov 20, 2008 at 10:23 AM
a test is a test, pass or fail it does what it is designed to do. everyone needs to pull the wool off from over there eyes and look at the real issue at hand, that is if any one really has a clue what this is all about

Posted by: Lewis on Nov 20, 2008 at 10:00 AM
I am a Charleston firefighter and I have to ask that you please don't judge all of us by what you read on here. There are guys on the job that believe in doing the right thing and would give there last nickel for a brother in need. Being a firefighter is one of the greatest jobs in the world and I wouldnt drive an hour to do it if I didnt enjoy it. The brotherhood still exist among us guys that enjoy what we do because of the challenge and rewards, not because of a salary. Now there is that minority who makes us look bad, those who are there for themselves only, but like I said that is the minority. I personally feel the King situation is bad and it needs to be investigated by an outside source because we have no representation when it comes to addressing serious issues like this. We will continue to speak out and do the right thing and represent the department with the upmost pride.

Posted by: Mike on Nov 20, 2008 at 09:51 AM
After reading these postings I had a few questions. First, if this test is valid why doesn't CFD require it for everyone? Does once in a career meet NFPA regs? If not then should it be changed so that it is required by everyone annually? About the volunteer vs. paid.....what is the big deal? A poster made the comment about a volunteer coming into your job and taking it for no money. Is there any county in this state that has a completely paid county fire department or do all counties not have paid and volunteer? Does the same mindset apply to ambulance service? There are several big ambulance companies in this state but there are also volunteer ambulance services. Let's remember the reason for the volunteers to begin with. Most rural communities do not have the financial base to support paid services. Do the paid departments really want the responsibility for providing fire and ems for the entire state regardless of location? Or leave the rural parts to the volunteers?

Posted by: fireinfighting on Nov 20, 2008 at 07:51 AM
All of the infighting in the comments to this story are exactly why the fire service in WV will never be an effective lobbying force. The state legislature and our federal reps will continue to pay you lip service because you continue to act like first graders. Enjoy it people, both vols and paid!

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 20, 2008 at 07:50 AM
Yes, you can tell who the Charleston firefighters are. They are extremely arrogant. As for the remark about coming into my place of work and doing my job for free, go for it. I doubt you could accomplish that either. I don't see anyone coming into Charleston to turn your paid department into a volunteer organization. As far as going into Pinch and Elk River goes, don't do it. I've never liked a paid ff on any of my scenes anyway as all you want to do is strut around with your arrogance and become a hinderance instead of an asset. The comment about brotherhood.....yes....it's been gone for years. Typically, folks get into fire service to play with flashy lights and to be seen in shiney red trucks. That goes for paid or volly departments. As far as Julio's comment, I agree. Firefighters should receive more training. I won't knock that comment either.

Posted by: Tim on Nov 20, 2008 at 06:30 AM
Come on Rodney-"it's a logistics issue". I can't believe there is not another place to give the exam. How about the Lee St parking lot where the test used to be given? If the Chiefs don't want to make everyone take the test because they know there would not be enough people to fill the shift then just say so. Dont make up LAME excuses like "it's a logistic issue." I say "Bring the test on-let's see who is riding where after that happens."

Posted by: Anon on Nov 19, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Boy, you sure can pick out which comments are from Charleston firefighters. They're always the ones who make themselves look like arrogant fools. I am appalled that " Stoney" would make a mean comment towards Tina King of all people. Where is the compassion. Personally to Eric and Tina King I am so sorry that Eric has a heart condition due to this test. But I am even more sorry that it looks like Charleston Firefighters don't even care!! Please accept my heart felt apology for those idiots and know that there are people that have hearts that are praying for you and your family!

Posted by: J Dunbar on Nov 19, 2008 at 09:21 PM
The Current Chief could never pass the test. He never took it and can't now. Why did he not want to talk to the news was he afraid of how dumb he would look?

Posted by: Barry on Nov 19, 2008 at 08:39 PM
Hey Dave from Huntington FD...wasn't HUNTINGTON just voted the MOST OBESE CITY IN THE NATION? I don't really think you got room to be sayin much about the physical fitness of any other city or department...

Posted by: joe on Nov 19, 2008 at 08:19 PM
Why is this turning into a bash fest against volunteers. They do the same job as the paid guys, the only difference is the money. Then ya got Huntington sayin they're better than CFD...who cares? Every fire department does the same thing. Get over yourself Huntington. The story is about ERIC KING, he got screwed over because the administration at CFD canned a guy because of a heat stroke. I agree with Casey about NFPA 1584. During a real fire, the firemen are to be sent to "rehab" so stuff like this doesn't happen. There's two 2 minute breaks in the test, but during a real emergency, you're not allowed to return to work until your vital signs are returned to a certain point. If CFD keeps this test, they need to make some modifications to it or someone else is going to get seriously hurt. They should also make this an annually thing for EVERYONE, and yes that means the "white shirts" as well...

Posted by: J on Nov 19, 2008 at 06:58 PM
What happened to the days of the fire service being a brotherhood?????? Hmm i think that went out the window a long time if they can't depend on each other then how is the public going to .

Posted by: Julio Vasquez on Nov 19, 2008 at 06:22 PM
I am not too familiar with the standards of firefighter in the U.S. But I feel that all should be better trained, first off a firefighter should experience a flashover at least once during probation and if he lives through it, give him a job. I think a police officer should know what to expect when shot while wearing a vest, so go have a day of brotherly target practice, I feel a pilot should experience a crash so he will know what to do in the event of a bad crash, a lawyer should enjoy the chance to get a small jolt in the electric chair so he knows what his client will face, how about requiring football players to suffer at least one concussion so they will recognize when they get one, these are just a few suggestions for my gringo's to the north because you thought our country was messed up? My name is Julio Vasquez and I approve this message.......JULIO 2012

Posted by: mike wazoski on Nov 19, 2008 at 06:15 PM
ha tina king you dont have better judment to comment than anbody else does you havent even ben a firefighter they have to make it diffecult remember that firefighter workout gym did he dont think so and kuwait isnt 120 well maybe but how do you hide the fact that a human cant survive more than 130 and with all that gear it would be about 126 and in case you didint notice IM STONY!

Posted by: Tina on Nov 19, 2008 at 03:57 PM
It's against my better judgment to comment here, but a person can't stay silent forever. Eric had great heart health before the test and was subjected to very strenuous activity as part of his Army training (plus 14 months in 120-degree Kuwait). The FD test is not compliant with nationally-recognized safety practices. Of course a FF should be in good physical condition & you would want to know of problems before a real emergency. We accepted that Eric could be risking his life. We just never dreamed it would be during reckless training. We've been silent for months while the CFD's admin spread falsehoods & bent truth, feeling that the truth would come out in time. All of his life, Eric was physically very strong. Now he will never be without a pacemaker. "Next"? "Get over it"? Part of me wishes you knew what it was like, but in the end, I truly would never wish that on you or your family. In case you haven't figured it out by now, I am… -- Tina King

Posted by: shawn on Nov 19, 2008 at 03:30 PM
Hey Mr.Molgaard, you say this might have been for the better because lives arent at stake right now? How about the guys that have suffered a heat injury from this test and as you say "it manifest itself" during a true emergency? Maybe it will be your house or your neighbors house where someone is trapped and we lose a guy, maybe 2 or 3 or possibly civilians? How do you answer that question? This test was designed to push guys to the brink and to break them down to make others feel superior. Plain and simple, and no one has mentioned how many have gotten a pension due to this test. You forget alot of us so called old timer's dont forget what has happened in the past.

Posted by: firefighter on Nov 19, 2008 at 03:18 PM
Mr. Anonymous. My only problem with volunteers is what if i came to your place of employment and told your boss that I would do your exact job for free and that you were no longer needed...Is that why last year the CFD had to respond to a house fire 2 miles out of the city in tyhe elk river area because Pinch VFD wasnt able to get anyone to respond..CFD was the first on the scene 27min after the 911 call was made and sent only because noone else ws close to the call yet. This was many of calls that paid fire departmewnts have had to bail out volunteers department

Posted by: Hey Tim on Nov 19, 2008 at 02:58 PM
The guys in Charleston are go getters and I am friends with a few, but I know the ones that volunteer are harrassed by the union guy's on a daily basis. Now as far as this King guy I have to say a test is a good thing to have to gauge how well they have progressed, but to give a veteran a heat stroke and can him is a little overboard. I don't think the big wigs thought this would be made public so they threw him out with the garbage and didnt think twice about it, really sad.

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 19, 2008 at 01:04 PM
You make it sound as though being a volunteer firefighter is a bad thing Dave? At least there are folks out here who WILL get out of bed at 2 AM, when it's 5 degrees outside, for absolutely no money and then go to their jobs the next morning. Which one sounds more dedicated?

Posted by: Tim on Nov 19, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Hey Dave, I surely hope that you don't think that the HFD is the best in the state???It wouldn't surprise me because you guys stay in your little nut shell and think that everything thing you do is the greatest. Well I'm a former volunteer from the area that is currently employed withe the DCFD (District of Columbia Fire Department for those hfd guys that are to stoned or drunk to understand that) Yeah the CFD test is tough im sure but aren't are our jobs physically demanding ?? My question is this man is veteran i would think that the militarys physical fitness is harder than the cfd. I know a few guys from the cfd that are volunteers btw and those guys would run circles around you experts from Huntington . Oh wait your so Professional lets start a fight in public with the volunteers at hooters!!! Huntingon fire department is in no means professional! Keep up the good work you goons!

Posted by: leonard on Nov 19, 2008 at 12:34 PM
i think some of those guys couldnt pass the test to work at mcdonalds, well maybe they could cuz they look like they are there enuf, wanting their discounts cuz they are in uniform, b4 long mickey d's will need a bailout from the government too

Posted by: firefighter on Nov 19, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Hey HFD! If your contract is all so mighty, why did all of you cry about having to pay a little more on you health insurance. Also did it protect you on residency requirements. Take care of Huntington and leave it to others to worry about their cities or towns. If Mr. King were a physicaly fit military man he shouldnt have had any problem passing the test. There has been guys older than him pass that test as well as several women. Best wishes to Mr. King in whatever he does, but I wouldnt want to depend on someone with a known heart condition to try to save me in a life threatening emergency.

Posted by: Dave on Nov 19, 2008 at 11:04 AM
The best fire department in the state????? Well that can be questioned Mr.Anderson, We seem to do just fine at HFD and don't really seem to have the problems that you have in Charleston. Our contract protects us from alot of the garbage that goes on there but you wouldnt know that since you can't seem to get a contract with the city. Hey, maybe that guy got hurt volunteering somewhere on a fire and just say's it came from work since the majority of your member's also volunteer....once again we don't really have to worry about that either. And as far as preparing for the job I thought that is what the Journeyman program was created for, I must have missed the month that was labled "how to cause your rookie to have a heat stroke." Maybe the CFD Journeyman is different there since your department is at such a higher level than the other departments in the state.........yeah, ok. You guy's make us professionals look great! Keep up the good work!

Posted by: jimmy on Nov 19, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Ha ha ha! Its funny how the professionals are hurting their own guys but I haven't seen a single guy hurt here in Putnam County, but hey, we are just volunteers so what do we know. And you guy's wonder why we fought your pension bill? I don't want to keep paying more and more money because you all keep hurting your guy's. No wonder the pension system is failing.

Posted by: Casey on Nov 19, 2008 at 09:38 AM
You rattle off NFPA 1001 by which was used to terminate this firefighter, how about NFPA 1584? That would be firefighter rehab if you are not familiar. This was violated when this man was unable to rehab during the test. Does the CFD follow all NFPA guidelines or just certain ones that benefit the department when need be? How many of your personel has suffered injuries that you do not know about yet but will probaly find out during a stressful emergency when it actually counts. How many other departments use this test? I dont believe all of the facts were made available for people to make a decision on this yet. Also is this test given annually? Is there a annual fit test so we the public know that we are in good hands at night? Just because someone passes this test once in their career it does no good for the other twenty something years they serve the public. This story is way to fishy and I would like to see more info about it.

Posted by: ff on Nov 19, 2008 at 09:37 AM
He ought to be thankful that this test revealed a heart condition. He couldn't pass the test, which is required of firefighters. GET OVER IT AND FIND A NEW LINE OF WORK!!

Posted by: Tim on Nov 19, 2008 at 06:38 AM
While I do sympathize with Mr. King and understand his desire to be a firefighter, I believe the test is valid and in this case did what it was designed to do - make sure he was physically capable of doing the job. HOWEVER, I do agree that all the firefighters should be subjected to this test on an annual basis-not just once at the time they were hired. Do the physical demands lessen because they have been on the department for 1, 5, 10 or 20 years? Pay attention when you see them on the street or on a call-after seeing the footage of the test I am pretty sure the majority of the department's tenured members wouldnt stand a chance. So my opinion, KEEP the test and REQUIRE it annually for ALL firefighters.

Posted by: Billie Hill on Nov 19, 2008 at 01:06 AM
Our lives depend on the people who are in great physical condition and pass this test. Would we want anything less? Sorry, Mr. King..........next.

Posted by: Jerry on Nov 19, 2008 at 12:36 AM
I'm a retired firefighter from Charleston. I just cant understand this statement: "But to have it all in one and to run people for over an hour in full gear -- that is crazy; it's absolutely ridiculous. They are going to end up killing someone." Does he think that fires only happen at 15 or 30 minutes spurts? Many a day and night have I worked full tilt for 2, 3, 4 hours at a time without rest. I'm sorry that the guy has health issues, but the test didn't bring it on. It only brought it to the surface.

Posted by: joe on Nov 19, 2008 at 12:16 AM
I think Eric King should be reinstated at CFD. I agree with both sides of the story, but why do the emplyoees only have to do it once in their career? I've seen some of the guys that work at CFD, and it's amazing how they make it up a single flight of stairs without getting short of breath. The CFD needs to do away with the test before it gets someone killed, but I'm afraid that's what it's going to come to and then it'll be too late. If that happens who will the administration point fingers at then? They sure won't be able to fire them because they'll be dead.

Posted by: former firefighter on Nov 18, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Sometimes congenital heart defects do not manifest until the heart is put under stress it is not accustomed to. It could be possible it is not the skills test that "Caused" the heart problem, but something that the man was not aware of until he took the test. As a former firefighter I know the gear, with a full SCBA is very very heavy. The test is designed to weed out those who can not take the stress of day to day firefighter capabilities.

Posted by: Firefighter on Nov 18, 2008 at 09:52 PM
The job related skills test that Charleston Fire requires for all members is a difficult and trying test. It is , however, the bare minimum tasks a firefighter would do if one of the dowtown Charleston high-rise building would have a fire on an upper floor. It is also a test that covers every practical skill station from NFPA 1001, the standard that certifies basic firefighters. It is a very fair assesment and testing tool for the fire department and after having 130 firefighters (men and women) pass then have one person who failed the test have complaints really is not a fair judge of the test.

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  • Posted By: redbaronin response to pablo on comment dated 01/06 - EXCUSE ME!! I do believe FIREFIGHTERS also risk their lives for total strangers and no they are NOT law enforcement!
  • Posted By: omgI am so sick and tired of hearing how public school teachers are indebted to the public for their salary. Many of you are so freakin nosey that if your neighbor stopped too fast, you'd have to get a crane to remove your head from their rear. I am so tired of this drug test line. Teachers deserve to pee in peace and so do you. Why should teachers be forced to have their personal lives paraded all over the news? That is exactly what would happen. If a typical joe blow got fired from the coal mines for drugs, it wouldn't make front page news. A teacher being fired for drugs would. You people expect teachers to be the mother, father, grandparent, clergyman, counselor, as well as the teacher. You don't do anything with your kids but expect the teacher to fix all the problem you create. Some of them probably need drugs by the time they are done raising your spoiled kids who think the world owes them something on a silver platter. Take your own drug test before you get pregnant.
  • Posted By: SophieRe: The student (Hinzman?) being expelled for using foul language after being bullied & beaten on school grounds; you should not have been expelled for expressing your hurt, anger & disgust. You were a victim and did nothing. It is unreasonable to punish the victim - so what if he cussed - I'd cuss too if someone beat the beegeebers out of me. The kid who beat you should receive jail time & counciling; the kid who filmed you & released it on U-Tube should too. It has often been said that television is desensitizing our children so badly they have no empathy for others. This is a prime example. I hope the school board will have enough common sense to clear this victims school record of the incident as he should not have been expelled, and get him counciling also as such a trauma will surly have an effect on a young life.
  • Posted By: BoydAny one who is employed and gets paid by the general public, us, should have no problem taking urine tests. After all they are in the pubic debt for paying them for their work. Its simple NO TEST, NO JOB. This is not an attempt to violate rights, it is an attempt to enforce the publics right for federal, state and municipal employees who can be TRUSTED.
  • Posted By: GeorgeAs a parent I have no problem being drug tested. I'll stand in line right behind Katy.
  • Posted By: goodorbadI look at it like this-if you dont have anything to hide, shut up and do the test!
  • Posted By: RickI think all teachers should be drug tested, I drive a transit bus for our county and I want the public to know I am drug free and teachers should want everyone to know the same, that their children are not in the care of people on drugs,if you have nothing to hide why object to random testing I know I don't
  • Posted By: TeaI can't even imagine that our teachers have not been drug tested up until this time. Anyone who refuses should be fired. These are our children!!! People take drug test when they don't even work with people, let alone children. These are government jobs and we should have a say in what they have to do.
  • Posted By: AriCheers to Rob-I feel ya!
  • Posted By: joeI have worked for companies all over this nation and have had to take drug tests. Why should teachers be exempt from this practice? It is now common to be randomly tested(and I have been) so what makes a teacher any different than a steel worker. I can say proudly that I passed but I have seen those who didn't. They chose to use drugs and lost their jobs I didn't.
  • Posted By: KatyAs a teacher, I have no problem being randomly drug tested...as long as you agree to drug test the parents who enter the doors of my school as well. Most teachers deal with students who are exposed to/use more drugs and alcohol than any of the teachers. If these students or parents who are using drugs (and are not drug tested) enter our schools, the safety of the teachers and students are at risk. Since children spend more time with them, let's randomly drug test PARENTS, too!!!
  • Posted By: stephenWhy the heavy emphasis ont he damage to property and life Israel is doing . Where was the media uproar for years that Hamas was rocketing Israel irespective of innocent israelis.. Hamas is actualykilling their own citizens by firing rockets from UN schools and residents. Why does UN allow Hamas to use facilities for attacking Israel, then complain when Israel responds to protect their territory and citizens. Israel targets military targets, respons to from whence rockets or gun fire comes. What would we fire at if Huntington was attacked?Why does the media not put bla,e where balame belongs, and give moral support to the aggreived.What would America do if attacked? to whom would we listen? Russia, Saudi Arabia,Iran?.Media get REAL! Who has given Hamas and the Palestinians millions with which they could buy weapons---American taxpayers money!
  • Posted By: RobertAlthough I feel for the employees that lost their positions at Cabell Huntington Hospital, at least more nurses were hired. I recently had a relative in the cardiac unit at Kings Daughters, in Ashland, and I was told that the nursing staff had been cut back and that no overtime was being given. This seems to be a drastic cut in patient care for a facility that spends thousands advertising that they are in the top 5% of cardiac hospitals in the country. I would be willing to wager that the Cleveland Clinic has not cut hours of those giving patient care.
  • Posted By: BoydIf the state's budget is doing so well, why don't we use some of this money to help towns and cities in the state who are in trouble with their budget, or will this just become another pay raise for politicians?
  • Posted By: RobWhy does everyone have to be so into using the term "racist" and have that kind of attitude. I know what my heritage is and who my ancestors were but you want to know what I consider myself? I AM AN AMERICAN! I was born and raised in this country and that's how I feel it should be. Born here, raised here.....then by God you are an American. Not an African American, not an Asian American etc. etc. You are an AMERICAN!
  • Posted By: ChrisTo Ex-Officer: I agree with you 100% about the pay of police dept and the drug testing. I was formerly involved with the BCPD and had multiple ride alongs with the BCSO. I am probably one of their biggest critics due to having watch some of the bad side of the department for a long time. I wish that I could tell everything that I have seen officers do,which would put most of them behind bars or they'll lose their sheild, But retalliation is bad in our area. To the cops that do their job and do it with the best intentions, I proud of you and don't mean any disrespect. To the ones who I personally watch being more currupt then the "badguys" here,your day will be coming.
  • Posted By: PabloTeachers aren't the only ones underpaid. Law enforcement officers are underpaid also. And I'd like to speak about them. For example, I'm sure any parent would sacrifice their live for thier children. And several may give thier live to save their spouse. A few individuals may even do it for a close friend. But, I only know of 3 types of beings who will sacrifice thier lives for complete strangers; indeed even for people who hate them. The first would be our men and women in our armed forces. The second would be our law enforcement officers. And of course, third would be our Savior, Jesus Christ. Others are killed in the line of their employment, but not in order to save a complete stranger. Everytime a cop puts on his/her uniform, they can be a target for anyone upset about something. Even though it doesn't involve the cop personally, that very cop will give his life to save yours when a problem arises. We need to give our cops not only a wage, but a living wage and a great big THANKS.
  • Posted By: CraigIf what I am hearing is correct that Kanawha County teachers accepted a pay raise in return for submitting to drug testing, and then sued successfully so they do not have to be subject to testing, then why shouldn't we the taxpayers demand they return the raise?
  • Posted By: teresaracist lmao i am one cherokee,german,irish,german,and who knows what else TIRED of hearing of racist comments u are either GOOD OR BAD k no skin color needed just evil or NOT
  • Posted By: Ex-OfficerI agree with Robert 100% I worked in law enforcement and loved the job but try to rise a family on less than 10.00 an hour (out of that pay for your own duty gear and gun). I believe that all public safety workers should be drug tested but i also believe that they should be paid for the job that they do. Not many people understand what a public safty worker goes through. Would you put your life on the line for this kind of pay? Remember the saying that you get what you pay for. I see this in several new officers in my area. Don't get me wrong there are still very good officers in law enforcement. Something really needs to be done about the low pay for these jobs.
  • Posted By: GarlandWhat's the difference between teachers and other workers(coal mineers, bus drivers, state employees,etc.)? Teachers aren't any better are they?
  • Posted By: This is not a comment, but I would like comments on it please. What do you think of Poca High School? Racist or not?
  • Posted By: RobertWe the people, through our own self centeredness and apathy, have allowed our teachers and police officials to be some of the most underpaid people in the United States. We are trusting our childrens education and our public safety to the very people that are some of the most underpaid profesions in the U.S.. If I could change this, I would. However, I do believe that these people should be randomly drug tested. I work in the construction industry and I have no problem being drug tested. I have nothing to hide. I also believe that any person who is intrusted with the safety of others should have nothing to hide. This includes plitical officials up to and including the president.
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