Putnam Volunteer Fire Department
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Posted: 11:01 PM Dec 6, 2007
Last Updated: 6:36 AM Dec 7, 2007
Reporter: Laurabree Austin
Email Address: laurabree.austin@wsaz.com

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If a fire were to break out in your home tonight, how long would it take for firefighters to respond?

The answer depends on many things. But one of the things on the list is whether or not you have a paid fire department nearby.

This week one Kanawha County family learned that the hard way when their home in Mink Shoals was destroyed because it took volunteer fire fighters about half an hour to get there.

The only West Virginia counties that have paid firefighters in our region are Kanawha, Cabell, Mingo and Logan.

The rest are all volunteer and that includes Putnam County.

It's just one of those things everyone assumes. A volunteer fire department can do just as good a job but by not having any paid people at the station, it does mean there are certain times of the day, where there can be a real delay.

Erica Toler of Hurricane has enough to worry about with 2 kids, but she also just found out there are no paid firefighters in the entire county and that now adds to her worries.

She says “That’s very frightening. Very scary and I did not realize that.”

She says she just never thought about it but Hurricane Mayor Scott Edwards has. That’s because he's been a volunteer firefighter for the last 20 years. He's hoping in the next year the city will be able to hire a few firefighters full time.

He says “It's a great service you can provide to a city and the residence, let them know if they dial 911 and have a house fire. Maybe someone is trapped in the fire maybe they will get an immediate response. Not a delayed response.”

If there's a fire in Putnam County it's not uncommon for dispatch to send out 2 fire stations just to make sure they get enough firefighters at the scene. The county commission is keenly aware of the problem and the fire service board in fact says they're hoping to hire on some paid firefighters sometime this spring.

Mayor Edwards says “There's many times during the day when we can get people out. But there's also many times where it's a delayed response. Sometimes no one shows up and you have to rely on say Culloden and Winfield for a call in Hurricane or Teays Valley.

He also says it is simply a money issue all across the board. But as soon as Wal Mart and other businesses come to Hurricane he hopes to use some of that money to hire two or three firefighters full time.

One more thing you might not have thought of: Your home insurance rate.

We spoke with BJ Hill, an Allstate Agent in Hurricane and she says the cost does vary depending on how the fire department is rated. Totally volunteer department does get a lower rating, so it's also costing you more.

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Posted by: Interpreter on May 21, 2009 at 09:21 PM
Maybe you can track down Support Volunteer and threaten to sue them, Mark. I've seen you've been doing that a lot lately.

Posted by: Mark Hallburn on May 9, 2009 at 09:23 PM
Support Volunteer: I just found out about this comment section tonight. You attribute comments to me that were made by someone else. You owe me a very public apology!

Posted by: David on Jan 1, 2008 at 03:42 AM
I do not think the trucks could be limited to the city, seeing as money donated to buy the current trucks is from the entire area

Posted by: harold on Dec 31, 2007 at 02:46 PM
HVFD the city guys will just sit there and not cover the area outside of the city limits. If they leave the city and then a house burns down in the city,then the city could face a lawsuite for neglect. The civil laws change when it comes to paid firemen,if they are out of the city fighting fire and a house in the city and burned down,or GOD forbid someone got killed then they would be liable for not providing services to the city taxpayers while not on a city call.However the HVFD would not be liable just the city itself.If Hurricane decides to hire paid fireman then it would need to be separated from the current volunteer dept for liability purposes for the HVFD. They will also need to buy their own truck do to the fact that the current trucks belong to the county and the HVFD,not the city itself. There is alot of legal hurdles to work out here.I have seen this type of case before,in other states.

Posted by: HVFD Member on Dec 30, 2007 at 08:31 PM
We don't mind havin some paid personell the only thing that bothers us is if our residents who live outside of the city will benefit from them also or are the city guys just gonna sit there and not be able to help all of the residents in our response area.

Posted by: member on Dec 30, 2007 at 01:08 PM
Harold, I'm sorry to say you are either ill informed or just looking for a fight. In either case, volunteer ff's are well trained and are training constantly. They put more hours into their volunteerism then most people put into their careers. The state has their own mandates which require both paid and volunteer to have as a minimum. The volunteers often exceed the minimum traning. They are well versed in their skills as they show when they place equal to or higher than paid departments during competition events(which challanges at a real world level).

Posted by: member on Dec 30, 2007 at 08:26 AM
Harold, I would like to tell you that WVFF are as well trained as the paid. I don't agree with this, but they, for the most part, live and breath their departments. (they should spend more with their family). They have the same required classes as paid, and sometimes more.

Posted by: trying to understand on Dec 30, 2007 at 08:23 AM
I would like to commend the volunteers for their time. I think some feel like they're being personally attacked, but they're not. It's just a fact a paid department will have a quicker response. I have heard 3 -4 pages for power lines down and such with another department having to respond. As many calls Hurricane has, it would be more prudent for a full time department. Teays valley should have one also.

Posted by: member on Dec 28, 2007 at 08:49 PM
Harold,You make no sense.How does taking a physical and mental evaluation,a drug test or a criminal background check train men and women to handle emergency responses?I very much agree that drug testing should be done in fact I think everyone who has a job be required to be drug tested including volunteers.I think you need to look at the volunteer departments around you I don't think there is one in this state that doesn't have at least one person who works as a paid firefighter or ems.Alot of the volunteers couldn't afford to take the paycut they would have to take to be a paid ff,I know I can't but does that make me any less professional than a paid guy?

Posted by: Jim Bob on Dec 28, 2007 at 12:45 AM
To Harold: Volunteer fireman do the same exact thing that paid guys do, they run the same type of alarms and implement the same procedures to take care of the situation at hand. Paid guys might have more on the job training but when it comes down to it, a volunteer could work side by side with a Professional Fire Fighter from Nitro, Charleston, Huntington, or Saint Albans. Some volunteers don't become paid due to the fact that they don't want to be paid for helping people because they love it so much and don't need paid for it. Volunteers do it because they love it and are have to put in time and effort to get training to best help the community that they are serving. But volunteers are just as capable of doing what they do as professional fireman

Posted by: harold on Dec 27, 2007 at 07:43 AM
I do not think that the volunteer stations has as much training,therefore knowledge of firefigting as the paid fireman has.The volunteer firefighter is a necessary evil due to the fact that some area's do not have the Resources to have a Professional station, A Professional fireman goes through a battery of tests,example physical,mental,drug and criminal to name a few.I do not believe there is many who can complete all of these or they would already being doing it.

Posted by: Jim Bob on Dec 23, 2007 at 10:42 PM
Jason, i was just stating a point to let people know that volunteers are just as capable, even though paid guys do have more in house training and more experience in the field, i still believe that anyone from say teays valley or west side could run with charleston or huntington. If someone is in need of help volunteer departments can take care of the situation in a very proficient manner

Posted by: Jason on Dec 23, 2007 at 06:07 AM
Jim Bob: But something you also have to consider is that with career departments the firefighters are going to get to complete a lot more in house training as well as actual field experience than compared to volunteer departments. I'm not saying that volunteers aren't as capable..just trying to give another point of view to consider.

Posted by: Jim Bob on Dec 22, 2007 at 03:35 PM
Volunteers have to meet the same NFPA standards in training that paid fireman do. A volunteer still have to go to fire school's and take the same classes the paid guys do. So if anyone thinks that volunteers aren't just as capable of saving your life as say charleston or huntington is your wrong. If you're residence is on fire and you are still in the house and can't get out, the fire dpeartments in putnam are very capable of getting you out of that house.

Posted by: Memeber on Dec 21, 2007 at 03:42 AM
Harold i would rather have scab labor or volunteers than a bunch of guys that are just in it for the moneylike the union guys you describe and as far as the constantly trained professionals you mention all of the Fire Departments in Putnam County have the best these guys are well trained and capable.just because they don't get a paycheck doesn't mean they are any less professional.

Posted by: harold on Dec 19, 2007 at 09:13 PM
so member what you are saying is that there will not be any testing for these jobs? The union will not be involved? can you say scab labor? Or union pickets,at city hall,the fire station,the mayors house,city councils house? I think the union will be involved!I know how some "towns" have street workers answer fire calls,is that who the people really want to come and rescue them,cut them out of a car? I think not,they want profesionals that are constantly traing to do better.

Posted by: STOP FIGHTING on Dec 18, 2007 at 05:27 PM
Listen we are all here to do the same job it doesn't matter if were volunteers or paid. We need to stop fighting with each other and start helping each other. This is stupid that we fight like this. Were a BROTHERHOOD so lets start acting like it. And to those who really take this brotherhood seriously lets act like professionals that we all are paid or volunteers

Posted by: Memeber on Dec 17, 2007 at 05:32 PM
Hey Harold I doubt the union will be involved because the city is hiring people to do other jobs for the city and run fire calls too

Posted by: 200 Needs Paid Staff Too on Dec 14, 2007 at 02:16 PM
Hey Memger remember this ?? ..."member To FFwife I once again ask you to provide a time when you sent another department to station 200 area because they didnt have anyone mark up?"......Uh let me see.....Last night if you would have responded you would have known.....Thank You 700 for coming out of your area.

Posted by: harold on Dec 13, 2007 at 11:49 PM
to everyone on the hurricane fire department,do not think you are going to be one of the paid firemen for the city.these will be union jobs that require mental and physical testing which anyone who wants to be a paid fireman can not pass because if you could you would already be on a paid department,because your mayor is on the fire dept does not mean anything,the union and testing will decide this

Posted by: me on Dec 13, 2007 at 10:37 PM
IF EVERYONE WOULD FOCUS ON THE ISSUE, AND DO SOME RESEARCH, THEY WOULD SEE THAT HURRICANE HAS HAD AROUND 65 "STRUCTURE FIRE" CALLS TO DATE. ONLY 7 WERE IN THE CITY LIMITS, AROUND 25 WERE IN TEAYS VALLEY. SO WHY SHOULD MY CITY TAX MONEY GO TO HELP OUT TEAYS VALLEY. IF YOUR GOING TO DO THAT, THEN INCORPORATE IT ALL, AND MAKE ONE BIG DEPT. IF MY CITY TAX MONEY PAYS FOR A FIRE DEPT, THEN THEY BETTER NOT LEAVE THE CITY FOR ALL THOSE OTHER CALLS, AND LET MY HOUSE BURN DOWN...IM SURE THAT WOULD BRING A LAW SUITE. HOW BOUT EVERYONE GET THEIR FACTS STRAIGHT ABOUT CALL VOLUME AND DO A REAL STUDY THAT IS UNBIASED AND SEE IF MY CITY TAX MONEY SHOULD BE WASTED ON A FIRE DEPT. MAYBE AN AUDIT OF THE SPENDING OF THE COUNTY MONEY IS IN ORDER AS WELL. OH AND IS IT COUNTY OR CITY MONEY THAT PAYS FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO PIPESTEM AND GET DRUNK? IF YOU ARE ON COUNTY OR CITY INSURANCE, IN A COUNTY OR CITY VEHICLE..OR GETTING CITY/COUNTY FUNDS, PERHAPS DRUG TESTING SHOULD BE IN PLACE LIKE IN MASON COUNTY

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 13, 2007 at 06:28 PM
And the thing about it is....I didn't disagree, not once. Just made a comment that all stations have problems. You, and others, turned it into a trashing session. That is why I am ending it.

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 13, 2007 at 02:12 PM
FFWife: Maybe it's not mudslinging...maybe it's just showing the truth of how things actually are...there is so much the general public does not realize about how things are in the volunteer fire service. The only thing all of these comments are reinforcing is the need for Hurricane to have a couple of paid guys...

Posted by: FFWife and proud member on Dec 13, 2007 at 10:25 AM
I am not going to turn this into the battle of 200 vs 800 that you are trying to turn it into. I stand behind my statements. Maybe we, and that means ALL of us needs to take IAFF's advice and stop the childish mudslinging. And you being a paid firefighter and a volunteer on top of it, should be wanting this to stop, as it gives us all a bad name. This makes us ALL look worse that the actual TV story intended.

Posted by: member on Dec 13, 2007 at 02:21 AM
To FFwife I once again ask you to provide a time when you sent another department to station 200 area because they didnt have anyone mark up? Also I would bet that as a percentage of all calls,those toned vs a response from, 800 has the lowest turn out rate in all of Putnam county.Also it is just not only a daytime problem,how many times have you had box alarms in your area between 0000 and 0700 and another dept had to come and clear it because there was nobody from Hurricane that ever marked up? I think that was the calls that culloden would not respond to.

Posted by: IAFF on Dec 12, 2007 at 08:30 AM
To Hurricane FF-your embarassment should not be from being a part of the fire department but rather you should be embarrassed by the action of the few unpaid "professionals" of your department and those of the neighboring departments who chose to engage in name-calling and arguing over who's department can answer line down calls and does the best in competitions rather than focusing on the tasks we are assigned-saving peoples lives and property. Our assignments are far too important to get tied up in these childish issues. The citizens of Hurricane pay for a service-fire protection. If the current setup is not able to deliver this service then something must be changed in order to deliver the needed service. I would challenge your department to sit down and find a solution. To the mayor-obviously paid staff is one possibility-the one that seems to make the most sense to me from the outside but find SOME solution before someone dies. This is about saving lives NOT some civic club.

Posted by: FFWife and proud member on Dec 12, 2007 at 08:07 AM
Member..what you are saying and what I am saying are two different things. YOU are implying that someone took your calls becaue no one came out. What I am saying is that at some point every station in this county doesn't mark in service in the allotted time. When that happens, another station is toned for that call....you seem to know how that works when relating this to Hurricane. Just because you get a truck out and may cancel that station doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It does happen to all stations at some point. To Jason..you are correct, the 16 hour course doesn't prepare you to respond to in a piece of apparatus. That is why driver's training is required in addition to the EVOC. That is simply what I was trying to point out.

Posted by: FFWife and proud member on Dec 12, 2007 at 08:00 AM
To Putnam Counties Finest...No truer words have been spoken. We are supposed to be a brotherhood. I see minimal brotherhood on this post.

Posted by: PUTNAM COUNTIES FINEST.... on Dec 12, 2007 at 02:41 AM
CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG????

Posted by: Hurricane FF on Dec 11, 2007 at 10:52 PM
Thanks Mayor Edwards You have done it again your little news interview has made it embarrasing to be a part of Hurricane Fire Department.I really hope you got the response you wanted from this, because you have really hurt us with this.

Posted by: firefighter on Dec 11, 2007 at 10:45 PM
This is to John from Hurricane,Put your money where your mouth is and bring your run sheets from culloden and lets see just how many calls they have run that Hurricane hasn't gotten anyone out for and I will show you how many calls culloden has been called to help Hurricane and they didn't come because their Chief gets on the radio and tells dispatch his department doesn't run those kind of calls in Putnam County.You couldn't make it when your family was on Hurricanes department so just crawl on down in Burgerville and leave it alone.

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 11, 2007 at 09:08 PM
To Erica in the interview from the newscast: If my memory serves me correctly, you graduated from CMHS in 1999. Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't ALL the departments in the area of CMHS and its school zone volunteer departments? I believe so! A tip for you too, since you are such a concerned parent and all, you should have had a fire extinguisher in your home all along! All the negativity needs to cease towards the volunteer firefighters. We should be grateful for the men and women who risk their lives everyday for us, paid or not. It takes a special person to be an EMT, Paramedic, Law Enforcement Officer, Dispatcher and Firefighter, to lay their life on the line without thinking of themselves or their families as they go out their door, never knowing if they will get to walk back through it. Each and everyone of you deserve a pat on the back. My life has been touched by each one of those in that field at one time or another. Stop the "bashing" and lets go back to the botherhood!

Posted by: Member on Dec 11, 2007 at 09:02 PM
Once again ffwife,When have you sent someone into Eleanor's area that wasnt mutial aid back up on a structure fire ? I dont think ever! We all have jobs,a few professional fire fighters even. we make our calls,so why dont you. We made a powerline fire early today,did you make the calls you were toned out for?

Posted by: Jason on Dec 11, 2007 at 01:04 PM
A problem that I see with the volunteer fire service in this area is that members are not drug tested or given physicals. And to FFWife and proud member: in reference to your comment about everyone required to have EVOC prior to driving apparatus: a 16 hour class does not prepare one to drive a vehicle of that size and weight...especially when you do not even do any actual roadway driving in the class.

Posted by: FFWife and proud member on Dec 11, 2007 at 08:29 AM
I stand behind my statement. All stations have problems at some point or the other. I have sent someone else into every stations area at some point. It is the nature of volunteering. It is impossible for everyone to be available 24/7 when you are a volunteer fire department. And NC..trust me when I say, dedication to a department before all the rules/regs was not before my time. And NC, Im just curious...what do YOU do when the tones go off when you are at work? Do YOU run the calls then? Well, other volunteers have jobs too. We do what we can, just like the other volunteers in this county. We love the job of volunteer fire fighter, that is why we ALL do it. We, meaning all volunteers,or at least I, did not join to bash other departments. We joined to help our communities. Can we not just get back to that?

Posted by: Jessi on Dec 11, 2007 at 02:03 AM
To nc, then why bash him about running calls when he is doing his normal job. He just cannot drop what he is getting paid for at the county and run fire calls as he pleases. He's just like every other person on there who has a full time job. Now, I would just love to know who thought this was a good venue to bash Hurricane when they obviously cant do this to their faces. If this has been such a problem write a letter to the fire board, write a letter to the commission. Attacking them on a blog under false names is just childish and ridiculous. The volunteers are not afraid of a paid department,they are just getting tired of the slam fest that some of you all decided to create.David,There are various levels of training here as far as haz mat med. certs go. The comments about not passing the requirements was spoken by someone who was angry. Anyone who wants to join can come. Even if you dont want to join, stop by and see the real department, not the pictures that have been painted here.

Posted by: Member on Dec 11, 2007 at 01:29 AM
FFwife When was the last time you sent someone to Eleanor to take a call other than mutual aid on a structure fie ?? I dont know of any call that Eleanor has not responded to in their area. For that matter Bancroft,Buffalo and Winfield always has someone out for the calls in their area.Rt 34 does really well but they have a huge shortage at this time.I think you need to check your facts before you talk

Posted by: David on Dec 10, 2007 at 07:47 PM
I see many comments stating that people should join their local fire dept and how most could not pass the requirements. Sounds like some folks have a big ego. I agree with Bill. All this talk is unprofessional. Have any of these commenters considered that there are many in their community who may hold HazMat, NBC, EOD, and medical certifications that are higher than the certifications that the commenter may hold? How many volunteer fire fighters have their Anthrax and Small Pox vaccinations? Why are the volunteers afraid of a paid dept? I respect and support my local fire dept. I do not respect the few volunteers that give the rest of the volunteers a bad name.

Posted by: nc on Dec 10, 2007 at 07:35 PM
FFWIFE-As I said..I volunteer, and when MY tones drop, I get out off bed and run the call. They dont have to drop my tones 3 times, and then send the next department. Course I wont give a dispatch lesson since you seem to work in winfield. Im just sayin, when politicans get involved, it becomes a joke. What happened to the days of dedicating your time and being a firefighter (probably before your time) Now its a 300 page list of requirements, firefighter/ambulance driver/cat in the freakin tree...and all that is fine..but its becuase of these B.S calls that you cant ever get anyone out when the tones are dropping every five minutes on the south side of the river.

Posted by: NC on Dec 10, 2007 at 07:30 PM
Support Volunteers: Sorry, Im not Mark..haha..Am I that Bad?? Maybe I should purchase putnamlive.com when MArk moves away. I hate politicans as much as he does!

Posted by: Member on Dec 10, 2007 at 06:10 PM
To run no calls in the city.We can't just ignore the calls in the city.We are here to help everyone in our area and if you think we should just leave these people without fire protection,Then I believe you should reconsider your reasons for being on a Fire Department.If we do that then should we not help the people passing through our area if they have an accident just because they don't pay a fire fee? C'mon guys we have more pride than this let these people say what they want about us we know the truth about our FD and the people in it.Whatever they say on here,they will still be happy to see us when they have an emergency.If they really want to make a difference they should come out and lend us a hand.

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 10, 2007 at 05:41 PM
Whether they so up to a call or not they still volunteer to save your lifes. The only people complaing are the ones too lazy to get up and volunteer themselves. So maybe you should stop seeing the negative side to things, and look at the positive.

Posted by: Bill on Dec 10, 2007 at 05:10 PM
I find it sad that being a volunteer FF has gone from a sense of community involvement into a bragging right. The responses here from many claiming to be professionals do not reflect professional conduct. Such actions cast a bad light on all volunteers and can cause a bad view of volunteer FF by the community. You never know who may be reading this. You never know who may be writing.

Posted by: kaleb on Dec 10, 2007 at 04:21 PM
ok to anyone complaining about vol. fire departments man or women up and sign up thurday nites at 7:00 but the thing i will say is that coming thursday nite i will not see any of this people so shut the up

Posted by: jc on Dec 10, 2007 at 01:38 PM
This blog is pointless. it has given the people who sit at home every day, in front of their computer, another chance to bash someone who put their lives on the line every day so that these people can go on with their every day lives. Support your local FD.

Posted by: John on Dec 10, 2007 at 12:02 PM
When did this become about the training and hours away from family, and competitions? You sound like a bunch of high school kids. This article was about a paid fire dept and one city trying to switch from volunteer to paid.

Posted by: RUN NO CALLS IN THE CITY on Dec 10, 2007 at 10:32 AM
Ok...All Hurricane Fire Vol. Firefighters. Ignore the calls in the City Limits since they do not seem to need us. For the ones outside the City we will still be there since we are a county dept. and not the City's, mabey the dept name should not be Hurricane Fire Dept. Let's see how well The City Of Hurricane can make it with our us. And please do not complain when your tax rate to live in Hurricane goes thru the roof as if it is not high enough already to pay for full time staff. The Vol. Dept's and the Paid Dept's. are required to have the same training If those on here who have complained think that it is so easy come out and try it. I can see by the post's on here who some of you are, and trust me you would not make it thru the required training mandated by the State of WV. Come on out !!! Every Thursday night at the Fire Dept. Starts at 7:00 PM. And anyone who considers Mark Halburn to be included in the term "The Media" has to much time on their hands.

Posted by: FFWife and proud member on Dec 10, 2007 at 02:40 AM
NC...I don't know how you can say you fall in both categories..you may "work", but, you sure as heck don't volunteer on my fire department. See, there is a difference...those that actually get out at 3 am and fight that fire and those that stay warm, yet cast the first stone when something goes wrong. And you know what is really amazing...We would respond and put the fire out even if it was YOUR house. So, since you like to complain about how things are screwed up, won't you quit hiding behind your computer and that "so called" newspaper and come help fix the problem.

Posted by: Just a note on Dec 10, 2007 at 12:03 AM
Don..Your $25.00 a year goes towards the operating costs of EVERY fire department in Putnam County. Gasoline, truck maintenance, TRAINING, that is what it pays for. If you were in a county that did not have a fire fee, then YOU could very well be billed if you have a fire at your house. As far as your fire tax on your insurance, the fire departments don't get any of that. Maybe you should check with them before you start saying that fire departments have an endless pit that they can spend from. It takes money to run a fire department, paid or volunteer. Is $25.00 so much to ask for to insure that a fire engine has gasoline to arrive to a fire scene, whether it be in Hurricane or somewhere else?

Posted by: FFWife and proud member on Dec 9, 2007 at 11:27 PM
Oh, HAHA, I forgot to mention, the main judge of the fire fighter portion of the competition was from Wheeling. Sounds like home field advantage to me.

Posted by: FFWife and proud member on Dec 9, 2007 at 11:22 PM
To HAHA, you are right, the 2006 competition was held in Hurricane.And you know what, we raised money ourselves,with NO taxpayer money used.But,it wasn't in Hurricane in 2005 and 2007,and guess what, all of our TRAINING and extra time,for about 6 months I may add,won us the firefighter title.And those competitions were in Jefferson County and in Logan County.Still saying home field advantage? Those men trained long and hard for those competitions,gave up lots of time with their families,and asked for NOTHING.And NC.obviously,you don't know as much as you think you do.While you are correct,you do not have to have a CDL to drive a fire truck,and yes,I agree one should.However, it has NOTHING to do with the amount of time on the fire department,even though that is what you may think.It is our Insurance that requires drivers time.And there is one piece of the puzzle that you haven't mentined,one HAS to have Emergency Vehicle Operations Course,or EVOC before ever responding in a fire truck.

Posted by: Support Volunteers on Dec 9, 2007 at 11:12 PM
To Mark Halburn, I mean nc, I thought you used your real name when bashing people! Move to a city where there is a paid department and leave everyone in Hurricane alone!

Posted by: kaleb on Dec 9, 2007 at 10:47 PM
the only reason why all of this is starting is because one person in the media does not like hurricanes mayor so they run their mouth about anything and everything trying to make him look bad

Posted by: Lois Casto on Dec 9, 2007 at 09:01 PM
I would like to take this opportunity to express my thoughts regarding the situation of a volunteer fire fighter. I would first like to express my gratitude toward all the volunteers in the Putnam County Volunteer Fire Departments. How many individuals reading this post have had a spouse leave the home or some place you may be to respond to a house fire, car accident, tanker leak, or any other circumstance that may require them to leave their family? I would like to say that I have experienced this numerous times and I am glad that I could share my spouse with someone in need. How would you feel if your family were in need of an emergency response team and there was no response? I am sure you would be really angry. Instead of complaining, get involved in your community. Do not critize, but be the one that someone can say thank you too. Putnam County has been in need of paid fire fighters for many years. Please thank a fire fighter today. Show your appreciation! Thank You.

Posted by: FFWife and proud member on Dec 9, 2007 at 07:01 PM
For Greg...No, the fire department in Hurricane does NOT send a bill to everyone in the area...NO we do not charge YOU for a fire at your house. If you are a resident of Putnam County, the fire fee covers that service. I do not know what county you live in, but, I can tell you that the Hurricane Fire Department does not do that. And if you have a problem with people who drive fire trucks NOT having CDL's, which I do agree with, then petition your legislature to change the law. THEY are the ones that do not require it. To Steve--anyone driving a vehicle with a red light on it better have an emergency vehicle permit. If not, the cops better do their job and pull them over and THEN...turn them into the chief. They WILL be disciplined. And also Steve, Hurricane runs no less calls than other stations in this county....I know this because I send them where they need to go. ALL stations do have troubles, and I have sent someone to EVERYONE's area in this county.

Posted by: Tired of the bashing on Dec 9, 2007 at 06:35 PM
First of all, every firefighter, whether volunteer or paid, must meet certain requirements before they can even fight their first fire. The only "under" qualified personnel on fire department rosters are the ones that are just starting and actually CARE to come out and put in an application and volunteer their time. There are several volunteers in this county as well as others that have over and above the the "required" training and some have more than paid fire fighters. They all do this for NO compensation, and obviously, NO thanks. They signed up to help people protect life and property. However, most, if not ALL have a job that they have to go to. Being a volunteer doesn't pay the bills, and apparently, gets you nothing but drama from a few that have no idea what actual volunteering means. Get a life...come out and change things, volunteer. However, I do not believe that most of the people running their mouths would know what volunteering means.

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 9, 2007 at 06:19 PM
You people honeslty have no idea what your talking about. Hurricane firefighters, actually all volunteers firefighters, work very hard for what they do and get nothing for it, because they are VOLUNTEERS. If you think you would be any better than the firefighters on the deepartment then maybe you shoud get off your butts and volunteer to save peoples lives, untl then maybe you should just get your facts straight.

Posted by: Angry on Dec 9, 2007 at 04:25 PM
I wish I was an expert like Greg !! And many others, if you are so good join a department and put your money where your mouth is !!!

Posted by: nc on Dec 9, 2007 at 03:20 PM
Greg: Hurricane, Teays Valley, and Winfield are the big "money chargers" because they send bills to trucking companies on I64 and Rt35. Teays Valley is already screaming to have coverage of all the new Rt 35 to the Buffalo Bridge. Its all about the money. And YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT on the CDL's but I bet 98% of volunteers dont have CDL's. Unless they drive a truck for a living why would they? I have a Class A-CDL, but Id still have to wait so long and put in so many hours of "firetruck drivetime" Guess the Chiefs and Officers have more knowledge then someone with a CDL!

Posted by: HAHA on Dec 9, 2007 at 03:13 PM
TO SUPPORT VOLUNTEERS: What a joke..they host the thing in Hurricane..WHo do you think is going to win! At least they show up for that though..

Posted by: nc on Dec 9, 2007 at 03:06 PM
To Jessie-Sory but I fall in both categories, I DO the work and I COMPLAIN..because when politicians like Scott Edwards and county commission get involved it becomes a big JOKE. I dont give a darn how high someones number is..does that mean they dont have to run calls anymore?? MY point is, they dont have time becuase they are to busy wasting county taxes to drive around all day picking up paperwork. EVERY TRUCK will make it to the hill, LET THEM DROP IT OFF If it werent for 700 (Teays Valley) and Culloden, Hurricane wouldnt have fire coverage. And someone is correct when they say that the trucks in the station (not all becase I guess the department did waste money on a cherry picker) belong to people in Poca, Buffalo, and all over the county because they are COUNTY PURCHASED. And to the few asking..It would be like Huntington. 2 or 3 years ago when a house burnt to the ground across from one of Huntington's stations b/c it was outside the city limits. Sorry Newhouse, your outside city!

Posted by: Ed on Dec 9, 2007 at 03:03 PM
I guess I am confused.I live in Hurricane and listen to the scanner all the time and know the volunteers can not answer all the calls during the daytime and it appears the volunteers recognize this fact as well-so they and the mayor are considering a possible solution.Sounds reasonable to me, so why all the negativity.Thank god for the help the neighboring volunteers have given Hurricane but it sounds like Hurricane is trying to cut down on the need for so much outside assistance.I guess I dont understand why this is such a bad thing.I am disabled and can not begin to count the number of times the Hurricane volunteers have come to my house and helped the Emts carry me down the stairs so I can go to the hospital and my doctors appointments-so to them I say thanks as well.To the rest of you complainers go to the fire house and ask to help-I would if I could.More volunteers would mean more people available to help.

Posted by: Greg on Dec 9, 2007 at 01:37 PM
How do you say it is "volunteers"? Don't these departments send bills to everyone in their area? Do they not charge you if they show up at a house fire? And what about these letters asking for "donations" and then go on to say if you don't give their set amount, they may not show up at your place if they are called? As far as NC's comment, I don't care if it is a fire truck or a Greyhound bus, you need to have a CDL. I have seen how some of these "volunteers" drive with nothing more than a little red flashing light on their dashboard and I sure don't want these fools behind the wheel of a fire truck loaded with gear and water!!

Posted by: Chief on Dec 9, 2007 at 10:11 AM
As I read throuh this blog it is upsetting to me to see that many viewers are dogging the volunteer. I am sure that most volunteers would be OK with getting paid for their services but in many cities and counties the funding is not available to pay the salaries needed so they rely on people to serve for free. This is not as big of an issue as you think because for most firefighting is not a club or hobby but it is a life style and I along with my men take great pride in providing a professional service to the people of our community. I agree some departments or firefighters give us alll a bad name but that happens with doctors or lawyers or any profeession. I think most of you have a VOLUNTEER Fire Department to be proud of and if you are really concerned put in an application and attend the training and help the fire department in your community instead of being negative and speaking about something you know very little about. VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER -- Unpaid Professional

Posted by: Nick on Dec 9, 2007 at 07:05 AM
First of all in the case of the response time at Mink Shoals,this is incorrect check the numbers,and as far as you bashing Volunteer Firefighters,Many Departments take applications every week on their meeting nights if you think you can improve the system,lets face it most of the career firefighters got their start as a volunteer,MOST I said not all,I have 20 years as a volunteer firefighter,as well as paid and the debate has always been who is better career or Volunteer,when we are all out to do the same job,Lets face it someone who volunteers their time to be a firefighter and attend all the required classes on their own time do this because they choose to,on the other hand alot of the career firefighters take on the same training because they have to,I know alot of the career firefighters do the job for the same reasoning as volunteers,but all in all we all have to work together as a team whether we are paid or volunteer.This negative media hurts everyone.

Posted by: Steve on Dec 8, 2007 at 04:48 PM
What does Hurricane fire dept need a bucket truck? I dont know of any buildings in Hurricane that can not be acessed by a ladder.They bring it to the carnivile and play police officer and look really stupid.I think I will contact all the fire depts and see how many calls they actually goto versus all the others in Putnam county.And another thing when they run the red lights in the cars they drive to the sation the are wreckless with no regard to public saftey.I wonder how many actually have red light permits? The state fire marshalls office should now.To the rest of the fire depts in Putnam county,THANK YOU for protecting us Hurricane residents

Posted by: WSAZ Newsroom on Dec 8, 2007 at 04:06 PM
The story was intended to show the number of paid fire departments in West Virgina that are also in the WSAZ viewing area, not the entire state.

Posted by: FFwife on Dec 8, 2007 at 01:56 PM
I agree with Support Volunteers, you are making the volunteer firemen sound like a nuissance.I would like to see how relieved you would be if,god forbid, you needed them and saw them coming to help. I imagine the your outlook would change if you only knew what all they did. These firmen are trained professionals without the paycheck. There is no partial attempt at being firemen, they have proved that time and time again. It would be great to get a paid department together,just don't drag the volunteers names thru the mud doing it!

Posted by: Support Volunteers on Dec 8, 2007 at 11:24 AM
Just a little note: The Hurricane Volunteer Fire Department has won the Fire Fighting portion of the WV EMS and Firefighters Competition for the past three years. 2005, 2006 and 2007, they have been #1 in the state! In 2006 the City of Charleston was one of the competitors in that event. I know I feel a whole lot safer knowing they beat the city! Support your local volunteer department. You dont appreciate what is around you util you need them.

Posted by: a FF on Dec 8, 2007 at 10:46 AM
Money is a big factor in all of this, I am not going to say vol are cheap and paid aren't but there is a big money difference in the two. Another problem is turf wars, everyone wants to be there first to get the glory. Sometimes common sense needs to kick in and change the rules for these depts. Some vol depts require the dispatcher to tone them out 3 times before they can automatically call someone else, even if the first dept doesnt answer, so if the first 2 or 3 doesnt answer think how much of a delay this causes. I personally think that county wide fire depts are the way to go, saves money and time on responses. Also if there is a paid dept close the volunteers should swallow their pride and call them. Paid dept dont call vol as much because they dont need the extra resources as often. Look at Huntington though several times they called vol seems like they dont have a problem, but very rarely does the city respond to a vol call.

Posted by: JM on Dec 8, 2007 at 08:52 AM
If the Mayor wants to help out then why not support him. I thought that is what we are all trying to do, help others. If you want it to be just a club, then quit and join a club. But I want my fire department to be a fire department. If it takes some help from the city so that we can answer all calls effectively, then I say give us the help. The people we protect deserve the best, not just a partial attempt.

Posted by: firefighter on Dec 8, 2007 at 12:41 AM
Some stations in the county that are volunteer take pride in how fast they get out anytime of day!! If you look at the stats volunteer firefighters out number paid firefighters across the country. When most paid firefighters are not being paid they volunteer. The Nitro fire it was the volunteer firefighters who called off work to finally put that fire out not being paid, while the paid firefighters were asleep at the station getting paid. No you can't put anyone behind the wheel of a fire truck either that just asking for trouble in itself. But quit volunteer bashing and be a volunteer!!!

Posted by: justin on Dec 8, 2007 at 12:28 AM
one comment i really liked was the fact that we dont have volunteer cops but expect someone to volunteer to run into a burning house. I agree that there should be more paid depts in the state however without the backing of communities progress will not be made. in most small towns fireman will always hear the same thing "all you wanna do is run around with those red lights" and in some cases this may be true but for the most part these ppl are giving a service which they have trained hard for(unpaid mind you). for the person compaining about not being able to drive, the state has standards on who can drive emergency vehicles(you can find them in WV state fire codes).For GilbertWV I think you have been mislead with ISO rating, there are over 50 Class 1 depts throughout the US and none in WV, Charleston FD has a class 2 the highest in the state.Still scratchin my head about 6th in the nation!In closing, I want to say that being paid doesnt make a professional, being paid makes it a career

Posted by: Jessi on Dec 7, 2007 at 11:17 PM
This comment is specifically for Jason who wants to know why they dont recruit people who care or are worth something. Why don't you do me a favor and leave your nice comfy bed and go fight a fire at midnight in the freezing cold. Stay outside soaking wet in heavy gear for about 4 hours. Then after you get back to the station and reset the trucks for another hour you can finally go home. Then get up at 6 or 7 to go to your regular job. After all of this listen to people like yourself who have the audacity to say that you are worthless and dont care. Now tell me who the bigger man is, the one who is doing it " So that others may live" or the guy who doesnt know what he's talking about just doing it " so that others may complain". It's the people who will not do, that only complain, that make a community weak. If you feel like you can do it better, then cowboy up and volunteer and have at it. And to nc, you obviously don't pay alot of attention to the scanner, sorry #'s higher than yours.

Posted by: Nancy on Dec 7, 2007 at 09:52 PM
Bill sais that relying on "poorly trained people" is absurd. What Bill does not know is that the volunteers are trained as well as or better then the paid fireman. They happen to do it because they want to so they can help their fellow mankind. I think the volunteers deserve all the thanks from everyone. We should thank them for doing what they can, even if they arent able to help all the time. The citys and counties should step up and help these departments to hire some paid people to help them and to get them better equipment. I know they get some money but they also have to raise moeny by selling hotdogs and having carnivals. This is crazy. You dont see the County Tax Assessor selling hotdogs to raise money for office equipment or you dont see the circuit court judges doing a fund drive to pay for his black robe - all of that is provided by our tax dollars. These people volunteer their hearts and they just need our help and it is time that we come together and help them.

Posted by: John from Hurricane on Dec 7, 2007 at 09:49 PM
The city of Hurricane can not use the fire trucks they have now for a paid dept,seeing as the county of Putnam own them which includes people who do not live in the city limits.The Hurricane fire dept is the worst run fire dept in the state!! Culloden fire dept and the teays valley fire dept run more of the calls in Hurricane than they do by a long shot,yet you have the same people running it.They will come around and get ready for the combat challange but depend on others to handle the calls.In fact as a Hurricane resident I want my fire fee back I then I will donate it to Culloden or teays valley as I see fit

Posted by: Michael on Dec 7, 2007 at 08:57 PM
In response to Sharon. The problem does lie with the politicians, but also with the citizens to make sure the politicians do what they are supposed to do with the money. The politicians should first provide protection for life and safety. This would be police protection, fire protection and medical services. Looks like this City is trying to think ahead and get out of the normal ho-hum attitude that exists in this state. We need services and deserve them as taxpayers. Volunteers are great, but if they need help then the politicians should do it. The citizens should recognize it too and should help by volunteering their services, but if they cant or dont, then somebody has to to make sure we are all ok. I would rather see paid help for the volunteers than to see money wasted on pretty new trees, bushes or even paving potholes. These things dont save lives but FIREMEN do. I hope they get the help needed and maybe others in this county will do the same. Go Hurricane!

Posted by: bob on Dec 7, 2007 at 08:49 PM
what will happen, if hurricane hires people for the city, and they are in winfield on a fire, and their is a fire in the city...im sure that if im paying for a city service, im not going to let them leave my city

Posted by: Jason M. on Dec 7, 2007 at 08:46 PM
Volunteers are great if it works. All over the volunteerism is down and it would be the same for volunteer fire departments. I think he has a great idea to pay some firemen to just help the volunteers when they arent here to help. Bottom line is we need people to put out fires and if that costs more tax money then so be it.

Posted by: Member on Dec 7, 2007 at 06:25 PM
Hey Bill, Yes I have heard of volunteer police officers in many areas of West Virginia,they are called Reserve Officers.As for the volunteers being poorly trained you are wrong.The volunteers have to meet the same training requirments that the paid firefighters have to have to be on the job.I invite you to go to your local fire department on thier meeting night and check this out,and while your there pick up an application and join.After you have had your training and missed a few meals a family outing or spent all night out in freezing weather helping your neighbors and still have to go to your regular job without any sleep then you may have a different opinion of those men and women you claim are poorly trained.

Posted by: looking on Dec 7, 2007 at 06:23 PM
the last time I check part of Nitro was in Putnam co as well

Posted by: Out of town resident on Dec 7, 2007 at 06:13 PM
WHat happens to the people who live outside of Hurricane when the city gets a paid fire department?Will we have to fend for ourselves while the city is protected?

Posted by: John on Dec 7, 2007 at 05:19 PM
In Putnam County we need zone fire depts. Everyone in the county pays a fire fee. If the cities start to pay then the depts will become fifedoms of the little cities and their politicians. We already see the petty rules with the volunteer system, this could be prevented with a county system that will help prevent nepotism and the Billy Bob mentality. Let us look at the concentration of residences and zone accordingly. If a person is properly trained why wait 5 or more years before they can drive a truck. These "rules" do not promote safety. They give some Billy Bob a sense of importance. I would be willing to pay a tax levy to support a county paid fire dept. I bet many other residents would too. In Putnam county we could reduce the pay of our county comisioneers, who make $30,000/yr for 50 meetings, and use this to help fund the pay of the fire fighters. Who is more important fire fighters or comissioneers?

Posted by: Frank on Dec 7, 2007 at 02:59 PM
If Hurricane wants paid firefighters it needs to get rid of Scott Edwards. After what he did to the Chief of Police, no one wants to work for Scott Edwards

Posted by: KEVING on Dec 7, 2007 at 01:23 PM
I encourage all of the tax payers and levy voters to make a trip to your local VFD and see exactly what it takes to volunteer your time, your family, your life making sure the protection of our community is safe. These people give a lot and ask for nothing but your support. This is not something that happens everyday, but with at least a couple of paid firemen could have made a difference.

Posted by: Support Volunteers on Dec 7, 2007 at 01:05 PM
No one ever appreciates volunteer firefighters until they need one. They take time from their families and jobs to do training, station maintenance, community service and a lot of other things that people don't see. They work with the equipment they have, yea some might be out dated but in the end you get out of the car you just wrecked. They risk their lives to run into a burning building for FREE!!! Then if they get hurt or god forbid die, their spouses are left to pick things up on their own. They also attend the exact same fire schools as the paid firefighters. Keep that in mind the next time you have to call 911. You never appreciate Volunteer Firefighters until you need one. Support your local volunteer department. Better yet, walk a mile in their "boots."

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 7, 2007 at 10:40 AM
I really would say that West Hamlin Fire Dept. is vol. or not. My sisters house burnt last summer, they came out and put the fire out. Two weeks later she got a bill from the dept. Now i really cant say that is a vol. fire dept. when they send out bills.

Posted by: Sharon on Dec 7, 2007 at 07:56 AM
The problem lies with politicians and skin-flints who want services without paying anything for them.

Posted by: Dale on Dec 7, 2007 at 07:53 AM
Cities like Kenova, Ceredo, Barboursville and Hurricane are still putting faith into volunteers when they can clearly afford to create paid fire departments. The counties and the state have responsibilities as well to help them create paid fire departments. It's all a lack of political will and also getting something for nothing.

Posted by: Ruth on Dec 7, 2007 at 07:47 AM
How many people would be surprised to find out that the Huntington Mall is covered by a Volunteer Fire Department. The only paid department in Cabell County overs the city limits of Huntington. When Huntington was involved with the Emmons Apartment fire, the VFD's came into the city limits to cover any other incidents that occured. I hope the City of Hurricane can get a paid department with the money Walmart will generate. But one Walmart a Target, Home Depot and Huntington Mall can't do it for Barboursville. The VFD's do a great job with the resources they have. They all take time off their jobs when necessary, give up family time and risk their lives, for no pay. They get called out for car accidents, illnesses, lifting assistance and even this week to get a bat out of a house. They are a dedicated group of people. If more people would volunteer, it would help to cover the gaps when people are at work.

Posted by: Jill on Dec 7, 2007 at 07:47 AM
You get what you pay for.

Posted by: Bill on Dec 7, 2007 at 07:26 AM
Have you ever heard of volunteer police officers? Of course not. Why then do some communities continue to rely on volunteer firefighters? Relying on poorly trained people for no pay is simply absurd.

Posted by: GilbertWVFirefighter on Dec 7, 2007 at 07:26 AM
I have to agree with nc that is a stupid rule, At the Fire house where I work we have the same rule... "If you have not been on the Fire Department for so many years you can't drive a truck" Even if you are setting in a fire truck when they drop a tone for your department to respond, You have to set there till a driver comes to take you in the truck because you have not been on the fire department for 5 or 10 years and I think that is bull... Our fire department ranked 6th place IN THE NATION on he ISO rating this year but we still have that stupid rule! Well I am out of here... Gilbert Fire and Rescue Station 1300

Posted by: CITIZEN on Dec 7, 2007 at 07:25 AM
HURRICANE IS TO PUTNAM COUNTY AS NITRO IS TO KANAWHA

Posted by: jeff frame on Dec 7, 2007 at 07:08 AM
As usual, you at WSAZ went off with your guns half cocked. There are more paid departments across the state. Wheeling, Parkersburg and Beckley...to name just a few. Get your facts straight. I suggest you check out the many web sites that list WV fire departments and set the record straight.

Posted by: Don on Dec 7, 2007 at 06:52 AM
Where does the money go? I pay a surcharge on all my insurance policies for a fire fighting tax. I also pay $25.00 a year for a fire fighters fee, just like EVERY RESIDENT OF PUTNAM COUNTY. Where does this money go? Into a bottomless pit? The only reason there are no full time fire fighters in Putnam County is because our money we pay for them goes into somebody's pocket.

Posted by: Jeff on Dec 7, 2007 at 06:14 AM
Correction: There are 22 career fire departments in WV.

Posted by: Jeff on Dec 7, 2007 at 05:57 AM
The volunteer system doesn't work. It's time to scap it statewide. Laurabree, with all due respect there are 14 career fire departments in the state. Charleston, Huntington, Beckley, Princeton, Morgantown, Bluefield, Wheeling, Clarksburg, Fairmont among others. Please visit www.pffwv.org

Posted by: David on Dec 7, 2007 at 05:43 AM
The Wal-Mart project and surrounding businesses will bring in more than $1,000,000 a year. Scotty can hire an entire department for that. Right now he can fire the City Manager (the only one in Putnam County) and use the $60,000 a year to hire two full-time firefighters. Also, if he would allow any of the volunteers to drive a truck, that would allow for quicker responses.

Posted by: Jason on Dec 7, 2007 at 02:56 AM
Pretty much the only department in the county that has problems getting people out is Hurricane...maybe they should try recruiting some people who are worth something and actually care.

Posted by: firefighter on Dec 7, 2007 at 12:29 AM
Volunteers are not cheap and career firefighters dont cost no more.We juss cant respond as fast becouse we are at work or out of town during the day and being with our families like everybody else likes to do.There are alot more fireman during the nite becouse we are home in the bed but you got to look at it like this we have to make a living somehow so we have to work during the day but somebody will always be there to help even if it ant from the closest Station it juss has to be accepted like that

Posted by: nc on Dec 7, 2007 at 12:27 AM
Why didnt Scotty mention the fact that there have been times when there are maybe half a dozen guys at the station, but cant respond becuase of the stupid rule of being there so many years before being able to drive one of the trucks. "Hey dispatch...we need a driver!!!!!" Maybe Scott can leave his office and be a professional firetruck driver. Or may U-801/U-3..Im sure hes not busy

Posted by: jk on Dec 7, 2007 at 12:08 AM
It probally also means higher taxes..The main problem is that nobody thinks about this until there is a problem... Then it is all about the money. Volunteers are cheap. Career firefighters cost more, alot more. Add in their wages, insurance, and pensions (hazardous duty) you have a lot less money to spend on equipment.

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