Capito Applauds Female VP Pick for McCain
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WASHINGTON D.C. (WSAZ) -- West Virginia Congresswoman Shelley Moore Capito applauded the selection of a female to the Republican presidential ticket Friday. Senator John McCain, the presumptive nominee for president for the Republican Party, picked Sarah Palin, the governor of Alaska, as his running mate.

"As a woman, this is an incredibly exciting day to be involved in the political process," said Shelley Moore Capito, also West Virginia's lone female member of Congress. "In Gov. Sarah Palin we have the opportunity to elect a noted reformer, a mother and a popular governor from a well-known energy state to be our nation's next vice president."

Capito pointed out the historic significance of Palin's selection. She's the first female ever to be chosen for the GOP presidential ticket.

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Posted by: Rose on Sep 28, 2008 at 02:16 AM
Tiffany - I hope you are ok...but if you aren't, know that I am very sorry for your loss & you'll be in my thoughts & prayers.
Posted by: Jeannie on Sep 24, 2008 at 01:59 PM
OK - I'll answer for Rose. I believe I can given all the examples shown below. ROSE'S ARGUMENT: Okay, again, Tiffany, you are not interpreting my comments accurately. I never used the race card either, I just allude to his "Muslin" roots, which cannot be denied (per R. Limbaugh (aka rehabbed druggie and my hero)). I've been doing some researchin' and I found that Obama is in Michigan this week. ACTUAL FACT: Obama is campaigning in Michigan (a battleground state) this week. More of Rose's Facts: B. HUSSEIN Obama is campaigning in Michigan. Surely, Tiffany, you are aware (as I am because I am a researcher) that Michigan has the largest concentration Muslim community in our nation in Detroit. Coincidence? I think not. How can you deny the obvious Tiffany? P.S. (ACTUAL FACT): Limbaugh did claim that Obama was not black. Limbaugh says Obama's family was from Kenya, a country in Africa with a majority Muslim community. Not accurate, but doesn't matter. Limbaugh = God. Obama = antichrist.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 23, 2008 at 03:11 PM
Please read my comment again about Ayers. I did not say that he couldn't be a terrorist. I only said that he must not be to much of a threat or he would be in jail or out of this country. It doesn't matter anyway considering Obama does not have much of a "tie" to this man. He lived in the same neighborhood as him and went to his house once. That is not a relationship I would be concerned about. I would be more concerned about a presidents family having ties to the royal family in Saudia Arabia. That's just my opinion.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 23, 2008 at 03:07 PM
I have not used "the race card". I have never said that you aren't voting for him because he is black. I have suggested that west virginians don't trust him because of that. The reason I say this is because 55%of people in WV admitted that race played a key role in who they voted for and some of them were on camera when they said it. How is stating an absolute fact "playing the race card". This country is racist, so it obviously would be harder for a black man to win the president. I don't know why that is so hard for you to understand. If you deny racism then Rose you really are living in a dream world. As far McCains medical history goes, yes I would let people look through my medical history if I had a job as stressful as being the president. It wouldn't bother me a bit. Apparently he has something he does not want people to see. No, that's not a proven fact but one can assume that there would have to be a reason to give people a limited time to look at his records.
Posted by: charles carroll on Sep 23, 2008 at 11:59 AM
I worked under Arch Moore (governor)for the state road , we had a thing called the flower fund it was manditory to contribute . At that time we all knew it was realy campaign slush fund our money was going for . Shelly moore capito trained by arch moore would call sarah palin a good choice I guess shes just another palin-toligist who goes along with the party on everything.
Posted by: TO ROSE on Sep 22, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Rose, you really are full of yourself. You never addressed why there was a limited amount of time to review the medical records. If you can't at least see the problem there, the entirety of your arguments can easily be dismissed. You also revert to the faux argument of "Muslim background" when you are backed into a corner. I wish I could say it was interesting to follow your logical conclusions; however, your patterns are simply juvenile.
Posted by: ROSE (PART 4) on Sep 21, 2008 at 06:09 PM
McCain did NOT say that Spain was an adversary OR that it was in Latin America. This was an ASSUMPTION derived from the liberals after an interview. Don't believe me? Show me where I can find the QUOTE that he said Spain was an adversary & was located in Latin America. You won't be able to do it because it didn't happen. However, I can show you something really hilarious! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws Obama has visited all 57 states with only one more left to go! Yay him!
Posted by: ROSE (PART 3) on Sep 21, 2008 at 06:08 PM
Since you enjoy the race card so much, I will go ahead and point out that your assumption that someone living in this country could not possibly be a terrorist or commit bombings is a bit questionable. One does not have to live in a middle eastern country to be a terrorist. Remember Oklahoma City? Those people weren't middle easterns. Would you not classify them as terrorists? Ayers & his wife got off on a technicality. He is an unapologetic terrorist bomber who threw a party for Obama in his home. There are plenty of ties to him & Obama that are being hidden. If Obama had done business with a relative of someone who had yet to commit a crime, I am reasonable enough to realize that is not important. But attending a party in your honor at the home of someone who has already committed the crimes & is unrepentant about it is a whole lot different. If you don't understand that, then that is your own problem.
Posted by: ROSE (PART 1) on Sep 21, 2008 at 06:07 PM
You know, Tiffany, this is getting ridiculous...I agree with you. You continue to bring up issues I have already addressed First you accuse Palin of making remarks about Jews, I correct you, now you jump on her church even though I provided a link to comments from a well-respected Rabbi who said there is NO comparison between Obama supporting ideologies of an Anti-American Rev. Wright for TWENTY YEARS & Palin happening to be in the audience when a GUEST SPEAKER made a comment that was controversial. It's as if you don't read anything I write. Someone who has been cancer-free for nearly 8 years most usually is in the clear, as the report said. As far as John McCain & his medical records? I would black out parts that were irrelevant, as well. Would you want the public to know about every hemmorhoid & personal discussion with your personal doctor from your entire life?
Posted by: to wsaz on Sep 20, 2008 at 10:37 PM
where are parts 1 3 and 4 of roses posts why are some posts not put through? i jus had one not put through in another story and no where and in no way did i use foul language. Im tired of my posts not being out through for no reason please explain why this happens who ever approves these comments?
Posted by: Rose (Over & Out) on Sep 20, 2008 at 08:38 PM
I will say that, for the most part, you have been fun to converse with and I appreciate your civility. Although I do not agree with you much about anything, apparently, I do respect you as a person. I would encourage you to find the whole story when you hear something about someone or read a quote that is standing alone. I think you probably do that already, as I do, because we both want to know the whole story. It is also very apparent that we are both biased towards who we support & there will be no convincing either of us to vote for the other candidate. With that said, I wish you nothing but the best & prayers will be with your pregnancy & upcoming birth. Take care!
Posted by: Rose (Part 5) on Sep 20, 2008 at 08:36 PM
This discussion has been going on nearly a month now & is going no where. I have went out of my way to provide references & proof for anything I say & even attempt to give you references showing that some of the things you have said are not true (like Palin making the Jewish statement, McCain & the Spain issue, etc). These were all just blatant untruths. I have been accused of not being able to research information, yet I'm the one who seems to be doing all the research & providing evidence in this discussion.
Posted by: Rose (Part 2) on Sep 20, 2008 at 08:33 PM
There are many things in a medical record that are no one's business. Common sense dicatates that if you had a melanoma removed in 2000 and you are still here with the living in 2008 w/no signs of chemo & treatments (hair loss, weight loss, frequent hospitalizations & surgeries) then you are doing OK. You don't need every page of the man's medical records to figure that out. It is only your opinion that his judgement is poor due to him picking Palin. There is a huge amount of people out there that disagree with you. The crisis on Wall Street that you said McCain blamed on Obama? They BOTH have blamed each other & exchanged jabs. That is politics & campaigning during a close election. About Ayers? Ayers is, indeed, a professor. He also has ADMITTED to bombings & regrets he couldn't do more.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 20, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Despite your genetics, the odds of dying increase as you get older. Life insurance costs more as you age, right? It is LAUGHABLE that Rose tries to argue otherwise.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 20, 2008 at 08:32 AM
Rose:The argument against Obama about him not serving his country really makes you look idiotic. John Kerry volunteered to go to Vietnam. Did you vote for him? Did you think he was fit to run this country? John Kerry was also a decorated war hero. It sounds ridiculous the way you talk about it. Obama has done good things for his country. Instead of becoming a high price trial lawyer he worked a community organizer. Before you make fun of him for that like Sara Palin did you should recognize what it is. The executive experience is just a word republicans are using because they know she doesn't have enough experience. They have to say things like she has more executive experience so that people like you will fall for it, and you are. You are brainwashed by politicians. If you would trust that woman during a financial crisis and two wars, you HAVE to be brainwashed. It's idiotic. She just received her passport this year. Yet somehow she has more foreign policy experience than Obama/Biden
Posted by: t on Sep 20, 2008 at 12:44 AM
For a time, Mr. Obama was on the board with Mr. Ayers, though he no longer has a formal association with the group. At the debate, he described Mr. Ayers as "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," but "not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis." Mr. Obama said he was being unjustly linked to "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old." Theres that dangerous relationship Rose. OOOOOH Scary. Come on now. It's not like he was giving him billions of dollars for the last ten years. Really Rose, stop denying the obvious. It's perfectly okay to admit your president is a money hungry corrupt politician.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 20, 2008 at 12:40 AM
He let the press review his records alright. He gave them a brief amount of time and half of the papers were blacked out. He is not in any kind of shape to be president. His judgment on choosing Sara Palin is proof enough that he HAS NO JUDGMENT. He blamed the crisis on wall street on Obama. First Obama had no experience now he is responsible for the crumbling of Americas economy? They are desperate right now. The republicans are on the verge of losing. I think your remarks about Obama are laughable. You think the relationship between Bush and the Saudi Arabians is laughable? These are known to be some of the most dangerous most corrupt people in the world. The man you are referring to Rose, is not a terrorist. Is he living in this country, yes. He is a professor if I'm not mistaken, if it's the man I think your talking about. So, really, come on. Is he living in Pakistan, or Afghanistan? Is he Osama Bin Ladens ken folk? No he isn't so quit believing everything the television tells you
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 20, 2008 at 12:32 AM
OKAY! This has gotten hilarious. ROSE George bush still has connections with the Saudi Royal Family. I don't care what you say if that was Obama who had connections with them you would say he was "dangerous". YOU have no sense of reality. john McCain this last week has completely embarrassed himself. He said Spain was an adversary of the US when they are an ali. he also said they were located in Latin America. He is not fit to be president. Sara Palin has lied constantly since the convention and will continue to do so. Take a look into her church and her pastor. He supports the "pray gay away" concept. Which is just as outrageous as the things Rev. WRight was preaching about. Her church had a guest speaker who spoke about terrorism being Gods judgement on jews. What kind of a church even has a guest speaker like that? What was Sara Palins reaction to it. She was at the service. Did she leave? No I'm sure she stayed and listened. Why is that not a problem for you Rose?
Posted by: Jeannie on Sep 19, 2008 at 09:21 PM
A group of doctors numbering 2000 have issued a demand for free and open access to McCain's health records. Does McCain have something to hide? Or does this give us a peek into how he will run the White House if he makes it there? The overwhelmingly secretive aura surrounding the White House for the past 8 years must be dissolved. My government is "of the people, for the people, and by the people." Since it's my government, I have a right to know all that occurs in the White House. The only exception is when there is a TRUE compromising of National Security. However, secrecy in the name of National Security seems to be thrown around rather excessively and carelessly lately.
Posted by: Jeannie on Sep 19, 2008 at 09:16 PM
Did you notice that Rose's source stated that the "press" looked over the medical records? Only one of the reporters (with their infinite background in Medical Record analysis) was a Dr., CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta. Dr. Gupta stated "I have never reviewed medical records quite the way I did today. At promptly 7:30 a.m. PT, we were taken to a conference room and handed three stacks of paper, nearly 1,200 papers in all and told we had exactly three hours to review them. I am still not sure I understand why there was so little time given to review so many papers."(CNN 5/23/08 Gupta's on AC360) More..."McCain to limit reporters' access to his medical records. Only a few hand-picked journalists covering the campaign will be allowed to view the senator's health documents."(LA TIMES 5/23/08) Most did surmise that McCain was in good health. If McCain wins, how can it be disputed that he will run the White House very true to the phrase coined at the Dem Convention **McCain = more of the same** ???
Posted by: Rose on Sep 19, 2008 at 04:58 PM
"McCain has addressed concerns about his age and past health concerns, stating in 2005 that his health was "excellent". He has been treated for a type of skin cancer called melanoma, and an operation in 2000 for that condition left a noticeable mark on the left side of his face. McCain's prognosis appears favorable, according to independent experts, especially because he has already survived without a recurrence for more than seven years. In May 2008, McCain's campaign let the press review his medical records, and he was described as appearing cancer-free, having a strong heart and in general good health." - Meet The Press, NY Times, & USA Today
Posted by: To rose by Jess on Sep 19, 2008 at 03:36 PM
Genetics the new cure for cancer?... I know Obama could pass on before his term is over as well. If that where to happen i can say i have faith that Biden could take over with great success. As far as serving our country so are thousands of other men and women and he poses a bill to increase veterans educational benefits. They are fighting in this war created on false pretenses and he don't think they have the right to extra benefits. Not everyone can find a rich spouse to carry us along n life.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 19, 2008 at 02:47 PM
Jess (continued)...Could he die soon, despite his mother's genetic contribution to his longevity? Sure he could. Obama could too. People in their 40s & 50s die all the time, unfortunately. Truly, I find it a bit tacky that people are already planning for the possibility of McCain's death. Of course, with what McCain went through while serving OUR COUNTRY (years of torture so brutal his hair turned white), I'm sure it did take a toll on his health. Obama has never served our country, so I guess he does have that health advantage.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 19, 2008 at 02:46 PM
Jess, I did not say that you claimed she was running for president. I say what I mean & if I wanted to say that I would have said, "Jess, you are wrong, she is not running for President." I was simply implying that Palin is being scrutinized more so than Obama & she isn't even the one running for President. They are both considered "young," politically. She has executive experience & he has zero (even though he is running for Chief Executive of the US). Any executive experience is better than none. Could she end up being the president? Sure she could. Any VP could. The reference to McCain's mother was exactly as you took it. His mother is still alive, therefore it is possible that he very well might have the same genetics as his mother.
Posted by: To rose by Jess on Sep 19, 2008 at 01:38 PM
I didnt say she was running for president did i? you really should stop twisting my words around to try and make me look bad cause anyone who reads this can see what your doing and you are making a fool of yourself. In the event of McCains death she will be pres. though and that is why i asked you if you thought she was ready if you can honestly say you think she is then fine what ever floats your boat. I personally do not think she has nearly enough exp. to be even VP much less pres. tell me exactly what McCains MOTHER has to do with this? are you trying to say cause shes alive that McCain cant die from health issues? Please explain you comment there you "lol" but really im missing what the funny part was. It seems when you are presented with a logical question you want to try and make those asking it look as if they are stupid.For someone who planned and prepared for her future you dont seem to be thinking to far ahead as far and Palin goes.
Posted by: TO TIFFANY on Sep 19, 2008 at 01:08 PM
While I applaud your efforts at an intellectual argument with Ms. Rose, I believe your attempts will be futile. I see where you have acknowledged errors in your judgment or your words when brought to your attention. I do not see Ms. Rose reciprocating. When you are obviously visiting the final vestiges of reality in attempts to persuade others to your view, you resort to personal attacks or attacks that have no bearing in logical arguments. This is what Rose has done, along with her husband Will O'Really. It's also a practice of Fox News. Like what (I believe) was said earlier, Republicans have no personal critical thinking ability, all is copied from their brethren.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 19, 2008 at 01:03 PM
How interesting... http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/09/19/Report_Legislators_son_at_center_of_Palin_hack_talk_1.html
Posted by: Jeannie on Sep 19, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Rose: You refuse to engage because I am asking that you face reality. Republicans and Reality have an extremely adversarial relationship. I have found a common link with those who are Pro-Palin and Anti-Obama: Both sides "cling" to superficialities like your suppositions about Obama (no underlying factual, issue-based, points). Those who favor Palin continually offer comments that "she is like me, she brings energy to our party". Very hard to disprove or prove comments like this.
Posted by: Jeannie on Sep 19, 2008 at 12:43 PM
TO ROSE: You doing research for a living is a very, very scary concept.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 19, 2008 at 09:34 AM
Tiffany, you should be outraged that a president would be more concerned about their popularity than taking the correct & appropriate actions to protect their country. Your analysis of Clinton "asking the American people how they felt about him as president" is a bit simplistic & naive.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 19, 2008 at 09:31 AM
Jess, the Smoking Gun document that is provided only talks about about terrorism threats from the 1990s when CLINTON was president. There were no new warnings contained in that document. This document only rehashes the fact that Bin Laden was a threat to the U.S. If it had warned of jets being hijacked & crashed into the World Trade Center & the Pentagon, then I would have to agree with you. Bush's administration was doing just as much as Clinton did, if not more, in the short 8 months he had been in office. Bin Laden could have been long gone if Clinton had acted in the 1990s appropriately. We endured numerous attacks during the Clinton administration. Bush is a human being, not a psychic. 9/11 was not predicted by Tenet. He had a feeling "something" was going to happen, but gave no further details or direction. I think we can agree that we all wished that it could have been predicted & thwarted.
Posted by: Palin on Sep 19, 2008 at 09:13 AM
On Palin...she is running for Vice President, not President. Any one of us might not be around in 4 years. Maybe McCain should ask his MOTHER (who is still alive) if Palin is a good choice, lol! At any rate, I find nothing wrong with Palin as a VP candidate. She has more executive experience than Obama (even though you might not feel that being Governor of Alaska is sufficient or mayor of a town). There are no requirements to be an international traveler to be VP, is there? One would have to have lots of money & time to be an international traveler...which would make them out of touch with the "regular people," right? I think that if McCain were to pass away during his term that she would be just fine. I believe she is the element of change that this country needs. Many people have served in high offices with abundant foreign travel & did a poor job. This is not an accurate predictor of how someone will perform their duties in office.
Posted by: Jess on Sep 19, 2008 at 08:55 AM
Jess...1) There is a huge difference between having friends you don't agree with & associating with someone who is unapologetic for bombings he committed! I would even question your character if you were friends with an admitted bomber. We should care about this when electing a President. 2) There is a huge difference between being friends w/your pastor, who happens to have some radical anti-American opinions & sitting for 20 yrs listening to various ideologies that are questionable. One would have to be seriously off their rocker to continue to listen to someone for 20 yrs if they didn't agree with them. Again, this tells me he either supported Wright's views or he lacks the backbone to stand up for his beliefs & change churches. Either way? I don't want him to be my President.
Posted by: Quotes Out of Context on Sep 19, 2008 at 08:43 AM
Here is the entire quote, in context. I really despise when people take bits of quotes & twist them around:*********** Bush insisted he was not looking to his legacy. "I'm not running for the Nobel Peace Prize. I'm just trying to be a guy to use the influence of the United States to move the process along," he said. But he added that "I hope that history will say that this is a guy who clearly saw the world the way it is. I can assure you that al-Qaida, Hamas and Hizbullah don't think about the comforts of life. They are driven. And the fundamental challenge facing this world is, well, countries like the United States, be prepared to continue to stay in the lead." Concluding the conversation, the president observed, "I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office. But one of [those legacies] has got to be, he clearly saw the threat and he did something about it." -Jerusalem Post 5/12/08
Posted by: Rose on Sep 19, 2008 at 08:33 AM
Tiffany, your comparison to Bush/Arbusto Oil & Ayers is laughable. Obama has associations w/a man who has admitted to bombings & wished he had done more. His crimes had already occurred & Obama still associated with him repeatedly. Arbusto Energy was founded in 1976. Salem bin Laden is one of at least 54 children fathered by Mohammed bin Laden. Osama bin Laden was 18-19 yrs old in 1976 & was attending school. He had yet to commit any acts of terrorism. Salem bin Laden's interest of a whopping 5% was invested by James R. Bath, an American. Bush even sold Arbusto BEFORE the terrorism began. Now that we have the facts, I think you can even say that it would be a stretch to link someone to terrorism when 1) The act is yet to occur & 2) The association is with a half-sibling (one of 53 half siblings!). That would be like me having a problem with Obama doing business with an Ayers half-sibling before Ayers even committed crimes. That was a serious reach, but nice try, Tiffany!
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 19, 2008 at 04:09 AM
Since your talking about Obama having ties to a "terrorist" what about the Bushs ties to the Saudi Royal family. They have given them billions of dollars of the last ten years. What was it, 10 of the 13 hijackers were Saudi Arabian. Bush has ties to Bin Ladens family.In 1978, Bush and Osama bin Laden's brother, Salem bin Laden, founded Arbusto Energy, an oil company based in Texas. That's a fact. So, I really don't think that Ayers should be an issue for you. If you can vote for Bush who obviously has an alliance with some of the most corrupt and wealthy people in the world, why are you worried about Ayers?
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 19, 2008 at 02:12 AM
"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008 Yep, that George W. Bush is a great president who responded with great tenacity and force in the days after 9/11. he bombed a country of people living in huts and has since forgotten about that country and moved on to another. He really knows his stuff. HAIL TO THE CHIEF! "And so the fact that they purchased the machine meant somebody had to make the machine. And when somebody makes a machine, it means there's jobs at the machine-making place." --George W. Bush, Mesa, Arizona, May 27, 2008
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 19, 2008 at 02:03 AM
OH MY LORD!!! The President asked the American people how they felt about him as a president!!! This is absurd and OUTRAGEOUS! As an American I am OUTRAGED!
Posted by: To rose by Jess on Sep 18, 2008 at 10:03 PM
OK here are two more links and no im not calling you a terrorist or anything they are just links. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/30/AR2006093000282.html Ok now after reading those can you sit there and tell me 9/11 was Clinton's fault? If you can you are so far beyond brainwashed. Bush and his administration knew and had ample warning and time to stop that attack and did nothing. They didn't beef up security they sat there and let it happen.
Posted by: To rose by Jess on Sep 18, 2008 at 09:55 PM
3rd this is my opinion and a question of sorts. Do you think Palin is read to be President? McCain is not in the greatest of health and its a good possibility that he will not live 4 years. Do you think someone who was mayor of a very small town and, someone who was only Governor for 2 years, someone who has only been outta the country once and that was recently. How is she going to be able to handle forien affairs and terrorist? I could go into her personal life but i will not. (even though if the tables were turned and barack those "problems" im 10000% sure McCain would have used them n a bashing commercial by now.)
Posted by: To rose by Jess on Sep 18, 2008 at 09:50 PM
1st. I did not say you said he was a Muslim, near the bottom it talks about the time when he failed to place his hand on his heart. So dont put words in my mouth.2nd. I dont care who barack has associated with i have racist, anti-gay, and Rep. friends and i am none of the above. they dont make me who i am nor do i make them who they are.. im sure his pastor did not preach in every sermon about America and his thoughts on it. Maybe alot including obama are and were offended by this but respected his right to have an opinion and choose to focus on the things they did like and agree on and im sure that over powered the bad.Too be continued...
Posted by: Rose on Sep 18, 2008 at 08:24 PM
Bill Clinton actually conducted polls after each act of terrorism to see if the public blamed him & how it affected his popularity. He had a PR-driven approach to terrorism & only did the minimum he had to do after each attack to keep himself popular with the public. He was *not* tough on terrorism. Each of these attacks could be viewed as an act of war against the U.S. (especially the World Trade Center bombing). He worried too much about his popularity rather than protecting the U.S. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzhjODk1ODg4M2NiODU4Yzc3YWE1OTA1MDNmYWQ5M2Y=
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 18, 2008 at 07:33 PM
I read your comment wrong. It looked like you were telling her that you paid more taxes than her in a year. I don't care what Obamas pastor has to say. I don't blame any black person in this country for being angry. As for Obama listening to him, I have plenty of close friends that I don't agree with about things. That doesn't mean that i won't agree with them on other issues and that i wouldn't confide in them if I needed to. That's just the way I see it. I supported Hillary Clinton, voted for her in the primary. But, i didn't agree with everything she said about Obama. The Rev Wright controversy was one of them. Personally I just feel the republcan party is too corrupt to trust anymore. I think they have their own agenda and the American people don't know and probably never will know what it is. I think Obama would take this country in a better direction.
Posted by: THE FACTS PART 1 on Sep 18, 2008 at 04:20 PM
"Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says black should not sing "God Bless America" but "God d*mn America." The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last TWENTY YEARS at the Trinity United Church of Christ..." http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004284040_pastor15.html He only chose to distance himself after he began to seek the office of President. And who could blame him? But at that point, it's a bit too late. It shows he was only willing to distance himself from Wright when it made him look bad. He should have done it on his own a long time ago. Even Hillary Clinton doesn't approve of Obama's lengthy association w/Rev. Wright: "He would not have been my pastor," Clinton said. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend." http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_558930.html
Posted by: Rose on Sep 18, 2008 at 04:05 PM
I voted for Bill Clinton...twice! I was a democrat in the 1990s. I even attended a rally at Marshall University & saw Hillary Clinton speak. Bill Clinton's impeachment was his own fault. He lied under oath & got caught. Blaming the Republicans would be like blaming the police for arresting a burglar or blaming a judge for holding someone accountable for perjury. Bill Clinton made his bed & he had to sleep in it.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 18, 2008 at 03:53 PM
Tiffany...what comments, exactly, are you referring to that I made to Jeannie that were so inappropriate? I only addressed her one time & that was to point out that I don't engage with rude people. She was rude & I am unapologetic for saying so. And I will not correspond with her again because she has nothing of substance to say. If that is a problem for you, perhaps you are just like her. As far as being paranoid, I certainly am not. The President of the United States is a pretty big responsibility & I find that character & past associations should be a major factor when considering who to vote for on election day. I find it to be one of *the* most important factors. If you choose to look the other way or discount the facts then that is your right. I have researched both candidates & there are things about McCain I don't care for, either. But, in the end, there are two choices & Obama is the most questionable, in my opinion. Add it all up & McCain beats Obama, hands down.
Posted by: THE FACTS PART 3 on Sep 18, 2008 at 03:37 PM
Concerning his ties to Ayers, the unrepentant bomber & terrorist. Strangely, CAC archives refused to be opened to show just how involved he was with him.: http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/8/22/obama-needs-to-explain-his-ties-to-william-ayers.html Ayers even had a party in his home for Obama & has donated money to his campaign.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 18, 2008 at 04:09 AM
Nevermind I don't apologize for saying your a redneck. I wrote that before i read your comment to Jeannie.
Posted by: The Clinton Years on Sep 18, 2008 at 01:24 AM
ROSE: During a time when republicans should have been supporting Bill Clinton in fighting terrorism they were working against him. They were impeaching him for an affair. The president may have done a better job fighting terrorism had the republicans backed him instead of fighting against him.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 18, 2008 at 01:08 AM
Just to correct some of the remarks about terrorism being Clintons fault here is his antiterrorism bill that the republicans would not follow up on. Measures taken by the Clinton administration to thwart international terrorism and bin Laden's network were historic, unprecedented and, sadly, not followed up on. Consider the steps offered by Clinton's 1996 anti-terror legislation, the price of it would have been at $1.097 billion. The following is part of the list of the initiatives offered by the Clinton anti-terrorism bill: * Screen Checked Baggage: $91.1 million * Screen Carry-On Baggage: $37.8 million * Passenger Profiling: $10 million * Screener Training: $5.3 million * Screen Passengers (portals) and Document Scanners: $1 million * Deploying Existing Technology to Inspect International Air Cargo: $31.4 million * Provide Additional Air/Counterterrorism Security: $26.6 million * Explosives Detection Training: $1.8 million * Augment
Posted by: Rose on Sep 18, 2008 at 01:05 AM
Tiffany, your comments about Palin in regards to the Jewish community are false. Palin never made such comments. The comments were made by a guest speaker at her church (David Brickner). Rabbi Yehuda Levin, a prominent Orthodox Rabbi, has addressed this & said that there is no comparison to her happening to be in an audience where a one-time guest speaker made such a comment & Obama sitting by Pastor Wright for twenty years. You can read all about Rabbi Levin's stance on this subject here: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/sep/08091705.html The saddest part about all of this is that you just accused me of throwing out falsehoods about Obama (which I have provided links to prove they are all true) & you didn't even bother to research this & see that she never said any such thing. Pot? Kettle?
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 18, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Rose: I am sorry for calling you a redneck by the way. The comments were paranoid though and those are the things that bother me when it comes to this election. Republicans have consistently used fear in their campaigns and it is not fair to you or to America. They have used 9/11 and now they have tried to make Americans believe that Obama is anti-american, muslim and an extremist. Neither candidate is squeaky clean. Their churches families and ethnic backgrounds should not be an issue though. What bothers me about the whole rev wright thing is obama had to leave the church that he had been a part of for 20 years. He did not believe in everything the Rev. preached yet still had to denounce his church because of all the bad attention surrounding it. That to me is unfair. It is paranoia that the republican party is thriving on right now. At a time when they should be uniting this country they are dividing it further. Don't blindly believe politicians. Their usually lying in some way.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 17, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Tiffany, I looked up that church's website & visited it way before the primaries. My problem is not the fact that the church he attended for over 20 years is mostly an African-American congregation. My problem is not that Rev. Wright seems to spread some very anti-American messages (he has that right here in America). My problem is that Obama sat in that church for 20 years & listened to this propaganda from Rev. Wright & was never insulted enough to leave. If I walked into my church & my pastor started spewing the types of messages that Wright shared with his congregation, I would be finding another church. Why? Because I don't support anti-American messages & propoganda. By attending each service week after week & year after year, Obama had to have felt the same way or he would have left long ago. I have serious reservations about a potential president exposing himself to something like this for 20 yrs w/out objecting. Again, if that makes me a redneck, so be it.
Posted by: Rose The Redneck :-) on Sep 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Jeannie: "I probably pay more in taxes than you make in a year." I don't know if you do or not. Who cares? I don't engage with people who are rude. If being a redneck means the opposite of you, then I'll wear that title with pride! Thanks!
Posted by: Rose on Sep 17, 2008 at 11:37 PM
I cannot help it if you do not like the facts. What you do not realize is that I do research of information for a living, so I'm very careful about what I believe & do research it. I do not care how Obama has refuted some of these facts. Why? Because they are all still facts & many of his explanations are weak & side-stepping...trying to downplay them (which I cannot blame him...I'd want to downplay them also). Jess, I'm quite familiar with Snopes & use it frequently. I never claimed Obama was a Muslim, did I? I know he is not a Muslim. Thanks for the link, though. Even Snopes says it is true he did not put his hand over his heart at that event. It appears to be negligence on his part, rather than refusal, but that's not something I would think a Presidential candidate would forget. At any rate, out of all the facts, that is the least of my concerns. I did not throw out false statements & personal attacks. I'm sorry if you find the truth tacky. Sometimes the truth hurts, Jess.
Posted by: THE FACTS PART 2 on Sep 17, 2008 at 11:36 PM
4. Obama & his mentor (who happened to be a communist) Frank Marshall Davis. Obama admitted in his own books to attending "socialist converences.": http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor 5. Obama did not put his hand over his heart during the national anthem at Tom Harkin's Iowa Steak Fry. This might have been out of ignorance of the rule or forgetfulness, but it is true: http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1662530_1446035,00.html 6. Obama did, in fact, say that if Osama bin Laden were captured he should be allowed to appeal his case to U.S. civilian courts: http://www.examiner.com/a-1445814~Obama_advisers_say_bin_Laden_can_appeal_to_U_S__courts.html
Posted by: Will O'really on Sep 17, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Hi Jeannie. I thought you said you spent your money in Canada. This seems odd since you then said you had to spend your money on insurance. This, of course, cannot be true due to the wonderful free medical system in Canada. Either you are a blatant liar or you are just stirring up stink to cause an argument. Do us all a favor and close your pie hole until you can get your story strait. I want to go back to the educated argument between Rose and Tiffany. Congratulations on paying more in taxes than Rose makes in a year. That kind of puts you in the upper class doesn't it? Either way, that is a personal attack. If that is true, aren't you the reason for this whole argument to begin with. As far as the race card you have thrown out to Rose. I won't speak for her, but I vote based on my beliefs. I don't give a rats backside if the person is black, white, male, or female. As long as they believe like me.
Posted by: To rose by Jess on Sep 17, 2008 at 08:35 PM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp First go to that link n read up on your facts. I must say i check this message board everyday and have enjoyed reading yours and Tiffany's comments you both make great points. I am voting for Obama 100% but i thoroughly enjoyed you reasons for voting McCain you made me understand why you were doing so in a way that i had to respect it. In till you started throwing out false statements about Obama. The whole refusing to put his hand on his heart for the national anthem is false. I wouldn't either cause just like him I was raised to sing along with arms placed in front of me. I place my hand on my heart only during the pledge of allegiance. Does that make me anti American? I was actually raised in ILL till i was 16 and moved here n 1998 maybe its an ILL thing i don't know.... vote who you want but don't throw out false statements a untrue personal attacks its tacky and made me lose respect for you.
Posted by: Jeannie on Sep 17, 2008 at 03:48 PM
I needed that refund check to help me pay for two months' worth of my health insurance.
Posted by: Jeannie on Sep 17, 2008 at 03:47 PM
Yes, Rose, you are a paranoid redneck. And I apologize to all rednecks that may read this because I know some of you are very good people. Just because YOU SAY IT is true doesn't make it TRUE. Simple Google searches will help you identify the facts which you seek (or should seek). There are many, many sites that dispute nearly everything you spew. If, however, because of your obviously severe case of redneckedness (I graduated from the G.W. Bush School of Linguistics), you have been left with an inability to perform a Google search (which I must admit to pondering) and you simply rely on the latest E-MAIL in your INBOX from NIGERIA, then go to SNOPES.COM
Posted by: Jeannie on Sep 17, 2008 at 03:31 PM
I probably pay more in taxes than you make in a year.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 17, 2008 at 03:10 PM
Anyone who cares to know the truth about the church Barrack Obama USED to belong too here is the link. www.tucc.org/about.htm There is a big difference in being proud of being black and being an extremist Rose. Yes, it does make you sound like a paranoid redneck. I'm sorry I hate to sound that way and I hate to insult someone but when you type the nonsense that you just did I can't help it. I could understand your thinking on healthcare and welfare but those comments are ridiculous. They are comments that the news hasn't even bothered repeating since January. They are unfair and untrue. His church had a large majority of black people, they accepted anyone though. How is that different from any other church in America that is predominantly white? There are plenty of Evangelist out there who are very extreme however, republicans continue to listen to their pastors and belong to their churches and nobody says a thing. That is why this bothers me.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 17, 2008 at 02:42 PM
So I seriously doubt having being raised by a white family that Obama is anti white which is what you are implying. IF I am playing "the race card" so are you.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 17, 2008 at 02:41 PM
Actually Rose I'm not angry. I think you are wrong. Even John McCain left the Rev Wright controversy alone because he knew it wasn't fair. The news doesn't even bother to mention your claim about Hamas so why would I pay any attention to it? You are now to the point where you are making things up. Obama doesn't put his hand over his heart during the national anthem? I'm sure that's a Bill O Reilly episode. I think your comments are laughable. If I thought they had any substance I would look them up but I really doubt it. You should probably go to Factcheck.com and check it out for yourself. I am not "playing the race card". How very predictable of you to say. I only find it ridiculous that your not talking about Sara Palins comments on Jewish people. Saying that terrorism against jews is gods judgement. Plenty of people go to churchs that have preachers with extreme beliefs. Obamas mother is white. His grandmother who he obviously loves and respects is white.
Posted by: Jeannie on Sep 17, 2008 at 01:31 PM
Of course you cashed & spent your check. How very hypocritical.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 17, 2008 at 01:30 PM
Jeannie, of course you cashed & spent your check. What a hypocrite.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 17, 2008 at 01:27 PM
You are only mad because every single point I made is TRUE! I challenge you to find proof that the reasons I gave for not trusting Obama are false. I refuse to vote for a man who won't salute the flag, put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem, & who removed the flag from his jet. If John McCain attended a church & followed a spiritual leader who supported white supremacy, I wouldn't like him either. You are pulling the race card & it's disgusting & makes me want to vomit up my lunch. Everything I pointed out is true & are very good reasons to question his character & integrity. If, by refusing to blindly turn my head to these frightening facts, makes me a "paranoid redneck," then so be it. I'd rather be a "paranoid redneck" than put a man in office who has followed the disgusting, racist, Anti-American venom of Rev. Wright for the past 2 decades, willingly. There may be white preachers like him, only in reverse, that has nothing to do w/the fact Obama has supported it.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 17, 2008 at 12:42 PM
PLEASE! Do you know how many white preachers there are that probably feel the same way as rev wright only reversed. Why wasnt McCains church underneath a microscope being picked apart? Hamas? It's disgraceful that you would even repeat that. Terrorist also said they wanted John Kerry for president. Why would you put anything into what a terrorist group says? Why even give them the pleasure of repeating what they say. They say things for a reason and noone knows that reason. When it comes to terrorism you should always be skeptical of why they are saying anything. Your reasons for not trusting Obama are reasons that Fox News have given "white America" to be afraid of. Go ahead, come back with your " typical liberal" using the race card. I'm sick of people like you making the rest of us look like paranoid rednecks. The "less furtunate" that I was referring to were the millions who are uninsured. YOU just decided to go on a little rant about medicaid recipients.
Posted by: TO ROSE on Sep 17, 2008 at 10:37 AM
You have been indoctrinated well. I see you use the Rovian strategy in arguments. You argue over whether or not someone misquoted you and only make points on personality-driven issues rather than on facts. Really, how can anyone possibly prove most people on welfare have flat-panel TVs. Oh, yeah, right, you know EMTs and they are your proof. I want to hear your arguments against corporate welfare also. Corporations are taking far more money from the pockets of the middle class than all of welfare combined. MCCAIN wants to TAX your HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFITS. That just doesn't make sense. You would vote for someone who would raise your taxes? Obama will not. I see you have also reverted to silly logic about Obama's patriotism. Give me a break! You're a fool. Please respond quickly to let me know how I have misrepresented your arguments and logic.
Posted by: Jeannie on Sep 17, 2008 at 10:29 AM
I spent my refund check in Canada.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 16, 2008 at 11:51 PM
It doesn't matter to me a bit how Obama's health plan works. Why? Because I wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher due to many other reasons: his spiritual leader for 20 yrs has been Jeremiah Wright (racist & anti-American), he is friends w/William Ayers & Bernadine Dorhn (unrepentant Weather Underground terrorists), he was mentored by a David Mendell (communist) & has admitted to attending "socialist conferences." He has been endorsed by Hamas (the terrorist group). His patriotism is, at best, questionable. He thinks that if Osama bin Laden is captured he should be allowed to appeal his case to U.S. civilian courts (McCain opposes this). Shall I go on? Do we really need any more reasons not to trust him?
Posted by: Rose on Sep 16, 2008 at 10:30 PM
I certainly will blame Clinton for the terrorism mess we have! 1993: World Trade Center bombing killing & injuring US citizens, 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia killing & injuring US military personnel, 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia killing & injuring US military personnel, 1998 bombing of US embassies in Africa killing & injuring many, 2000 bombing of the USS Cole killing & injuring US sailors. Clinton did nothing real to stop or prevent further attacks. Bush certainly wasn't in charge at this time, so who is to blame? After the first attack in 1993, he should have done something to prevent the rest & stop this. He did not. He had 3 chances to seize Osama bin Laden & didn't do it (Sunday Times of London). So,yeah, I will blame Clinton, thank you very much.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 16, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Tiffany, you just keep proving over and over again that you actually don't read anything that I bother writing. Posted on Sep 12, 2008 at 4:14 PM: "Ask any paramedic or EMT who goes into people's homes & they will tell you that most people on Medicaid (remember, the "less fortunate?") have MORE than THEY do & they are working! They have flat panel TVs & better cars than the people picking them up for their toothache (& paying for it thru taxes!). Remember, I also never said that working middle class people are these same people. I was addressing Tiffany's plea for more help for the "less fortunate." I don't believe uninsured people were mentioned here. Do you? I guess I hacked into the TV station's website & changed that post, right? /sarcasm
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 16, 2008 at 06:50 PM
Obamas health care plan is not "socialized medicine". Under his plan you can keep the plan you have now or you can opt to receive the same benefits as congress or a a public plan. That is not socialized medicine. That is just another one of the republicans lies to the American people to make them think that the current way is the only way. It is not "unrealistic". These companies profit billions of dollars at your expense.
Posted by: Checks on Sep 16, 2008 at 05:36 PM
Jeannie, so I assume you sent your checks back to the treasury & didn't cash them? Yeah...I didn't think so.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 16, 2008 at 05:34 PM
I put the link to the polls. It is a website that reports ALL polls & I included it earlier: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls McCain is leading. This has been common knowledge since the Republican Convention.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 16, 2008 at 05:31 PM
That's right Rose....when all else fails BLAME CLINTON. It's funny that anything good that was accomplished during the Clinton administrations republicans say it was there doing, anything bad, was Clintons fault. Even the things that have went on recently is all Clintons fault. Hurricane Katrina, was that Clinton too? You know what no need to answer Rose, I already know what you are going to say. All I have to do is watch Bill O Reilly to get your answers. John Kerry volunteered to go to vietnam yet I'm sure you didn't think he was fit to run this country. "Most people I know who do not have enough for healthcare have computers, etc" Not a word about medicaid Rose.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 16, 2008 at 04:43 PM
I am not trying to influence you. I'm only saying what I think and why I would not vote for McCain. I just saw the polls last night and obama and McCain were tied. I don't know what poll you saw but the one on CNN says they are tied, 45 45
Posted by: Jeannie on Sep 16, 2008 at 01:14 PM
TO: I LIKE GW: You refund checks are being borrowed from China. Do you still like GW? Kerry was a hero, too. Did you vote for him? Your comments sound like you have watched too much FAUX NEWS lately. I can tell when someone has been brainwashed.
Posted by: I Like GW! on Sep 16, 2008 at 11:21 AM
I know this may be hard to believe, but I don't have a problem with George Bush. So I really don't care if he has voted along with him! I can't think of any other president who has sent refund checks to people not once, but twice. No other president has done that for me. None of the problems we are currently experiencing, as a family, are George Bush's fault. He's also the only president that has had the guts to fight terrorism. Terrorism wouldn't be as bad as it is right now if Bill Clinton hadn't ignored it & let them continuously attack us. Say what you want, but we haven't been attacked again since 9/11, have we? He also signed the bill that did away with the most heinous form of abortion there is. Nobody is perfect, Bush is no exception, but I like him & I like McCain. McCain is a hero & anyone who can endure what he endured in Vietnam is man enough for me to be president. And there is nothing wrong with Palin, I like her too! So that argument is not going to influence me.
Posted by: Flat Panel TVs on Sep 16, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Tiffany, the comments about flat panel TVs, computers, satellite, etc...that was referring to MEDICAID patients, not uninsured. Reread what I wrote. Don't believe me? Ask any EMS worker & they will tell you that a majority of their runs are MEDICAID patients on welfare & they often have more creature comforts than the paramedics who serve them. It's a fact. It's also a fact that after welfare checks go out, calls increase due to drug overdoses, domestic disputes, & alcohol related incidents. It's a public holiday & they celebrate each month! However, this was not referring to you or any uninsured family.
Posted by: POLLS on Sep 16, 2008 at 11:02 AM
You are wrong, McCain is ahead Rasmussen, Gallup, Associated Press, & Fox News. Newsweek is a tie & Obama leads by 1 on Hotline. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 16, 2008 at 07:59 AM
Actually Rose they are tied in the polls. In most electoral maps it has Obama beating McCain 273 to 265 and that is giving McCain Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania. So you are wrong. Your remark about the media is wrong too. CNN is owned by General Electric who gave George W. 2.5 million dollars in his 2000 campaign. MSNBC is owned by Microsoft who gave George W. Bush 1 million dollars in the same campaign. Those two stations may appear to be liberal but they are not. They get pressure from conservatives. That's why CNN has people like Wolf Blitzer, Low Dobbs and Glenn Beck. The only channel that is truly biased is Fox NEWS. IF you want reliable news my suggestion is to find a site on the internet that is not affiliated with either political party.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 16, 2008 at 07:32 AM
You said that most people who were uninsured had flat panel tvs computers and satellite. Myself being one of the uninsured that offends me and I take it personally. I said that I have never had assistance to prove a point. You and other republicans continue to say that democrats are whiny, or that we just want the government to do everything for us, or we don't want to accept our own responsibilities. I am sick of hearing that. You don't like universal healthcare but you agree that it's okay to only allow certain people to go to college. If you do not go straight after high school chances are you won't go and I'm sorry but that's not fair. The reasons differ, but alot of the time it is the cost. It should not be so difficult for one to better themselves. One mistake and that's it. Your done. You have a kid at 18 or 19 and chances are unless you have a lot of help from family you will go nowhere. Stuck at a dead end job. That is just facts Rose. It is getting harder to educate yourself.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 16, 2008 at 07:22 AM
As soon as I realized I forgot to put the word to in my comment I tried to correct it. THat was obviously not done on purpose. What reason would I have to make my statement look like his? My insurance, is 150 a check, not a month. You are wrong about Obamas plan is for insurance you may want to go look it up. As far as John McCains proposal goes I don't believe in a man who has voted with the president 90%of the time. Also I cannot accept anything from him to be true when he has been caught lieing so much. I used to like McCain until his idiotic pick for Palin and the ridiculous adds he has put out against Obama. McCain wants to continue the same economic policies of the president which are obviously failing. A man cannot call himself a "maverick" when he votes right with the president with the lowest approval rating in history. I will not vote for him and do not believe anything he says to be true.He agrees with the most dishonest and secretive administration this country has seen.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 15, 2008 at 10:46 PM
I'm not sure where the first part of my last posts went, but it really doesn't matter as they aren't really read anyway or understood. I am not the one who has been brainwashed by the mass media. Everyone knows the mass media is liberal & leans to the left. You are the one who is uninformed & brainwashed. Vote for Obama...I don't care. My vote for McCain will cancel it out anyway. He's ahead in all the polls, so it's apparent that the people of America are not seeing things quite the same way that you are. November will tell the tale. Speaking of myths, maybe YOU should read up on the myths of socialized health care: http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletter/catosletterv3n1.pdf And, please, why don't you READ this so you will be informed. I don't want people voting for socialized medicine thinking it's all fluff and roses.
Posted by: TO ROSE on Sep 15, 2008 at 09:02 PM
You may understand the problem but you are far too brainwashed by the mass media telling you that it's all your fault that you've had to struggle your entire life.
Posted by: TO ROSE on Sep 15, 2008 at 08:54 PM
You are very uninformed. There is no solution to the health care crisis unless the government gets involved. It's impossible for the AVERAGE family to afford health insurance which costs my husband and myself (paid out of our own pocket) over $600/month, and our deductible is $5,000. So I just hope we are protected if God forbid cancer strikes either one of us. As for routine care for ailments that flare up, we can't go to the doctor because we can't afford to by the time we pay for our health insurance. Even with a tax credit (max $5000/year) by McCain, most Americans cannot afford to pay this amount. Allowing insurance companies to bargain with everyone individually will only allow them to take more advantage of us. All you have ever heard about Canada's healthcare system is a MYTH. Emergency care is received quickly in Canada. Elective procedures do wait a few weeks. If I have to wait a few weeks for a routine mammogram so that someone else can live, what a small sacrifice!!! Cont.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 15, 2008 at 04:12 PM
And as for the last comment to my husband (which you conveniently made look like he typed the comment, by the way)...he is sleeping right now because he has to work overnight tonight, so I will reply. You have the nerve to say that I take everything YOU say and TWIST it? Hahaha! My husband was AGREEING with you & you speak to him like that? He DID NOT say that YOU did not take care of your grandmother! Wow! He agreed with you & said that the elderly should be taken care of & family should also help. He didn't say TIFFANY didn't take care of her grandma! Unbelievable! I think what your grandma went through is awful & we agree 100%. We went through the same problems with his grandmother who, unfortunately, passed away two months ago. Do not presume to act like we don't understand this problem. All he said was that care for the elderly should be a given & that the government AND family need to provide that for them. That does not imply you didn't care for your grandma.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 15, 2008 at 04:04 PM
8. (continued)...Could you tell me why his plan is not going to benefit you, because I am very curious. Wouldn't this be better than socialized medicine where, yes, everything is free but you have no choice in the quality you are receiving and have to wait on huge waiting lists for important procedures & surgeries? If you don't address anything else I have mentioned, please answer these questions for me.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 15, 2008 at 04:03 PM
7. I believe in total equality & I know that these resources are available for 100% of the population. If that is not equality, I do not know what is. If you are underprivelledged, you actually have more resources to go to college than others. 8. You may have never said that we or anyone else should take care of your problems, but who is going to pay for your insurance if you don't? I'm not trying to be mean or spiteful, but truly...who pays? If you cannot be responsible for paying $150/month for your family, who is going to pay for it, Tiffany? Healthcare, as you know, is not free. Do you not find that John McCain's plan of giving you $5,000/year would be beneficial in your case? $150/month X 12 = $1800. You would have your health insurance covered & have a large portion leftover to put in a health care spending account.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 15, 2008 at 04:02 PM
4. For the record, I completely understand that the people you are referring to are those who WORK. I believe you have misunderstood because I was discussing two different subjects tandemly. To keep it simple, I will only discuss working, uninsured families here. 5. I have never doubted how hard you and your husband work. I never meant to suggest that you want the government to do things for you or take care of you. I also never suggested that you have been on public assistance at any point in time. I apologize if you read that into my previous comments. 6. When I say that people need to take advantage of the resources available to them to go to college, etc I do NOT mean public assistance. I meant scholarships (which in WV a high school graduate can go to college w/no problems through the Promise scholarship is they worked hard in school). I meant grants, student loans, etc. These are all available for anyone who wants to go to college. I have no doubt you know this already.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 15, 2008 at 12:05 PM
That was to Roses husband not by.
Posted by: Roses husband on Sep 15, 2008 at 05:08 AM
Did I ever say that the government should take care of the elderly and not there families. NO I DID NOT! I simply said that the government should make sure that an 87 year old woman does not have to decide between her prescriptions and her social security check. I never once said that the families should not help the elderly. THAT was an assumption on your part that was just wrong. Like I said my grandmother had her medical card taken away because her SSI check was too high. A big 900 a month. SHe lost her benefits. WE took care of it though and made sure her medicine was purchased and that she was taken care of. This is THE LAST comment that will be posted to you so let me just say for the record ALL AMERICANS SHOULD WORK. I do not believe that people should have to work three jobs though, this is not Russia or China. The gap between the rich and the poor is increasing. McCain/Palin will continue to divide this country and we will have bigger problems then the ones we are facing now.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 15, 2008 at 05:01 AM
For the record I have NEVER had any public assistance and neither has anyone in my family. We all have worked our entire lives and that is going back for five generations. I am tired of hearing that democrats or people who just believe in equality are not accepting responsibilities. The fact is is that YOUR political party uses division tactics. They are dividing this country further and further. They are causing people like you to view people like me as lazy or whiners. Insurance companies PROFIT billions a year. The healthcare industry profits billions as well. There is no sense in charging people what they charge. 150 a month may be a "deal" for you but it's not affordable for me. Even without internet or cable. I have NEVER EVER said YOU or anyone else should take care of me or my problems. This is going NOWHERE because you are simply distorting everything I am saying. Congratulations, the republican party would be very proud.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 15, 2008 at 04:52 AM
I seriously doubt that you have been to the millions of Americans homes who are uninsured. So to judge the many by a few is ridiculous. I am not going to get into a battle about who has struggled more but rest assured that my family has seen more tragedies then I care to mention. What bothers me Rose is that you don't understand that the people I am referring to ARE people who WORK. Lpns who have to work 60 hours a week just to get by. The same people who were getting by just fine working 40 hours a week eight years ago. That is what bothers me. My husband worked 40 hours a week, and went to lpn school 40 hours a week so I know what it is like to "struggle". I do not have enough time to sit and tell you all of our accomplishments. I have previously explained to you repeatedly how hard my husband and I work and you continue to say things that suggest I want the government to do things for me and that I am not taking advantage of resources that are available to me.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 15, 2008 at 04:40 AM
I am aware that there are democrats voting for McCain. They are not democrats. If you agree with the policies of a man who has voted with George Bush 90% of the time then you should reconsider which political party you belong to. As far as your struggles go, you may have struggled in the past but apparently you are not impacted by the struggles of today so you are not seeing how difficult it is for people right now. I have never suggested you were an "elitists" only that you do not realize how difficult things are at this time. I know myself how expensive health care is and how much it costs to go to school. My mother father and husband are all LPN's. I have worked in the mental health field now for the last eight years. You are not telling me anything that I don't already know. I am not the one judging here Rose. You are the one suggesting that the millions of Americans who are uninsured and who cannot afford to send there children to college simply need to budget better.
Posted by: Rose's husband on Sep 13, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Tiffany, I will agree with you on one thing. The elderly should be taken care of. Please keep in mind though that is is not only the responsibility of the government but also the family. I also don't have a problem with temporary welfare. As long as it is temporary. The government should require that welfare recipients train for a job, and send them into the workforce within one to two years. The government does provide assistance in this case. They give millions of grants every year.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 13, 2008 at 09:34 PM
Part 3: You can thank those who file frivolous lawsuits & milk the insurance companies for these high prices. There are definitely times when a law suit is necessary, but until something is done about the abuse of the system you can expect high prices & less choice because our doctors are leaving the state. The bottom line is this: I HAVE had to struggle & I have seen that I can make more of myself if I want. This is the exact reason I get angry & don't accept excuses from others. I know it was difficult & took a while, but I also know it was worth it. I think that those who make excuses don't really want it bad enough or they would take advantage of all the ways they could accomplish it. I understand all too well & it drives you crazy for some reason. It's like you refuse to believe that someone who has had to struggle would think this way. But the fact is many people just like me are tired of others making excuses & not accepting responsibility for their own situations.
Posted by: Rose's husband on Sep 13, 2008 at 09:31 PM
Tiffany, With all due respect, our whole married life has been a struggle. We live from paycheck to paycheck just like you or anyone else. The biggest difference between your situation and ours is that we don't believe it is anyone's responsibility but ours to make our life better. If we don't, then that is our problem. NOT THE GOVERNMENTS. We all have equal chances. I don't choose your career and you don't choose mine. How hard you choose work with those chances is completely up to you. I didn't have a golden spoon. I had to pay my own way. It is not my responsibility to take care of you. It is your job to take care of yourself.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 13, 2008 at 09:22 PM
Part 2: We are common people who took care of ourselves & our own needs. We are certainly NOT perfect & have plenty of room for improvement, like everyone else on earth. But you are WRONG about me & my family. Dead wrong. Do I disagree with you that America would be a wonderful place if we had all the things you described? NO! But it's unrealistic. Medical care is EXPENSIVE & a reasonable price for health insurance is not free. Doctors, nurses, & other health professionals have to spend a huge amt of time & money going to school, keeping their licenses & paying for malpractice insurance. The price of college is expensive, as well. It takes a huge amount of money to run a college, pay the staff, keep it supplied, and insured. Anyone who wants to go to college can if they want. Sure, life would be grand if everything was free or "affordable" (which obviously means close to free to you). The insurance you are offered at the price you described is a deal. Full price it's about $900/mo!
Posted by: Rose on Sep 13, 2008 at 09:13 PM
Tiffany, you are dead wrong. Number 1, my family (not ME, my parents) ARE democrats & have NEVER voted for a republican until this election coming up. Many democrats will not be voting for Obama & voting Republican for the first time this year whether you want to believe that or not. Second, I've probably struggled more than you ever have. I grew up on a farm & we raised all our own food. We only had wood heat & no a/c. I worked hard on that farm & my father worked for a coal mine. He was unemployed for three years & we lived off the land. My husband & I got married very young & struggled like crazy, working numerous jobs. Our living conditions were very poor & our kitchen ceiling even fell in one day on me. But instead of sitting around & allowing this to get us down, we pulled ourselves up & bettered our lives. You are obviously bothered by that & want to think that we are elitists & "don't understand" the plights of the "common person." We ARE the common people.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 13, 2008 at 03:43 PM
One more thing Rose, the nation was 11th in life expectancy in 2000. It has dropped that much in eight years. Sorry but I never said you were well to do. I said that apparently you have never had to struggle with anything. If you had you would be able to understand.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 13, 2008 at 03:39 PM
We should not have to work two and three jobs to get by. We shouldn't HAVE to cancel our cable or out phone. I'm sorry but that's the way I see it. It should be made affordable to EVERYONE. You will not understaand because you apparently have done everything perfect and have not had to struggle, if you have had to struggle you still did everything right so I really don't know how you would understand any of this. Your family is not democrats. No democrat would vote for McCain, no true democrat anyway. That's really all I have to say. I wish you could understand but you don't. The only way you would is if you were affected by these things, and your not.
Posted by: Tiffany on Sep 13, 2008 at 03:35 PM
There is no point Rose, you will never ever be able to understand what other people go through. You can't understand and you really do not want to understand. Not all of us are like the people you are describing. Not all of us want to live off of the gov and do nothing. We should have more chances then we do. The price of college should be lowered. Health insurance should be made affordable to people and medicaid should be made available to more people. Senior citizens need to be treated better and stop having there medicaid taken away because there SSI check is too much, don't argue that, it happened to my grandmother, children need to be better educated in school, we need better teachers, we need less guns on the street, there is no reason anyone needs AK47's and that's about all I have to say. I honestly don't know how anyone can argue that these things are not important to the country. We all deserve the same rights. We should all be able to live nice and still have insurance.
Posted by: Rose on Sep 13, 2008 at 02:40 PM
So you don't misunderstand, I do know how hard some people work (we are NOT rich, lol) & I do know that there are people who truly are less fortunate & need help. I was not referring to these people. I was talking about Tiffany's comment concerning the government needing to help the less fortunate. The whole welfare system needs reformed big time & you won't get any disagreement from me about that. More help should be available for those who fall through the cracks (the working poor) & those who abuse the system should be cut off or required to work for assistance. At any rate, my husband gave all the reasons why I am not for socialized medicine. I would prefer to have a large portion of my taxes returned to purchase insurance so as not to eliminate my choices & quality of care. Only John McCain offers that & I'm voting for him. We can go around in circles all day, but I disagree with you & am voting for the better choice for me & my family. MCCAIN. Have a nice day!
Posted by: Rose's Husband on Sep 13, 2008 at 02:24 PM
If your husband works for the state, he has a better job than most people in the state of WV. His benefits & retirement are better than most in WV. He has a chance to buy insurance for a lower cost than most. The price you quoted is lower than employees at CAMC pay, you have it pretty good. Health care is not cheap because people abuse the system. It's not cheap because other people choose not to buy insurance & someone has to absorb the costs. The problem doesn't lie with the government, but with the consumer. Your idea of socialized medicine will decrease the quality & availability of healthcare. It encourages communism because you have to MAKE people work in the medical field to lower costs to cover anyone. People in countries w/sociali