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CHARLESTON, W. Va. (WSAZ) -- A handful of Republican delegates in West Virginia want a ban on same sex marriage placed on a ballot.

The Republicans called for Governor Joe Manchin to place this issue on the call of any special session this year, so legislators can start the process of making this a constitutional amendment.

Delegate John Overington (R-Berkley) said the "defense of marriage act" can be overturned by the courts. That recently happened in California. He said West Virginia must act now.

Eight years ago, lawmakers approved the Defense of Marriage act which made traditional marriage of a man and woman the legal standard in the state.

42 states in the country have laws defining traditional marriage and 27 of those also have constitutional amendments banning gay marriage.

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Posted by: Jason on Jul 30, 2008 at 06:19 PM
I agree with Joe and believe in the literal intrepretation of scripture as delivered by our one Almighty God and true son Jesus Christ. All Christians know being or practicing homosexuality is an abomination and we need to protect this great country from this sin that is ruining our country. We also need to pass legislation to ban smoking and put a stop to overeating... We can put a stop to overeating by mandating certain portions in our schools and restaurants. We need action now, scripture teaches us that our body is a temple of God. There are a lot of God's temples that are not being taken care of. We need a statewide ban on gay marriage, smoking and government regulated portion control in every eating establishment. Let's take action now church before its too late.
Posted by: Jennifer on Jun 25, 2008 at 08:46 PM
Bruce you are crackin me up! LOL
Posted by: Bruce on Jun 25, 2008 at 04:49 AM
Hey Joe,most religions have a God.If our money says " In God We Trust",which God are they referring to? Joe,when did you turn straight? Obviously you made a decision to be straight,right?Was it a tough decision,or did it just feel natural?What should be talked about is how Republicans use the Gay and Abortion topics every election.They push your buttons and you pull the lever everytime for the Grand old Party.Then they bend you over and stick it to you.Ooops,sorry for the gay reference.
Posted by: Jennifer on Jun 24, 2008 at 04:16 PM
Joe you really need a history lesson. This country was NOT better off than it is now. Unless of course you believe that slavery was good, women don't have rights and the Civil War is a good thing. And again, this country was NOT founded on the Bible. People came here for economic reasons and to get AWAY from religious persecution. That is why the Constitution has the Free Establishment Clause which protects the people from having any type of religion forced upon them. The Constitution was designed to keep religion out of the law and to keep the law out of religion.
Posted by: Jennifer on Jun 24, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Actually this nation was NOT founded upon religion. If that were the case then we would be governed by religion. I'm sick of people shoving religion down my throat. What relationship YOU have with God should kept between YOU and God. This is a free country and the Constitution recognizes my freedom to not choose a religion so therefore religion cannot not be used make laws. If you want to personally use religion to deny gays then that's your right; however, those who are openly gay and do not choose a religion should not be discriminated against using religion by law. Its unconstitutional to use religion against the people of the U.S.. Why do those of you who are straight and dislike gays think it is YOUR right to judge and decide the rights of those who are gay? Isn't that the Lord's job according to your so-called book of truth? Stop worrying about what everyone else is doing in their bed and focus on your own!
Posted by: Joe on Jun 23, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Well for those of you that state that God and the Bible should be seperated from Government You should take a simple history lesson that the founding fathers founded this country on God The country was in much better shape then it is now. the founding fathers are probably turning over in there graves at what is takeing place in this country. so before you contradict the bible or state that it is mistranslated you should look back in the history of this country. as for those of you that state it is mistranslated you are just trying to justify what you are doing. But in actualality as for anyone they must repent and turn from there sin. so comparing gays to other things dosen't work because true christians turn from there sin and there for someone that is gay will not until they turn from it because it is wrong and an abomination to God.As for the verse Judge not well you need to read on and then stop using that verse to condone that what you do is right. and i vote yes to the ammendment
Posted by: lana holley on Jun 23, 2008 at 10:50 PM
well this country was founded on God the bible and as far as God well when he comes back Christians will have the last laugh
Posted by: Daphne on Jun 16, 2008 at 10:43 PM
It was because of your hardness of heart the he wrote this command for you" From the begiining of creation 'God made them male and female ' that is why a man will leave his father and mother and be united with his wife and the two will become one flesh" so they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together,man must never separate.
Posted by: Jennifer on Jun 13, 2008 at 07:11 AM
They use the Bible because that is their only source of information about homosexuality. And a lot of them that do use the Bible do not interpret it well or forget that self-righteousness, drunkards, adultery, idolatry, greed, envy, and slander is also a sin. About 95 - 99% of the population of the world has done one or more of these things and as they criticize homosexuals they are still acting out these sins. Go figure. I don't claim a religion but this was an excellent website. I encourage religious and non-religious people to go to this page. Very informative. http://www.twopaths.com/faq_homosexuality.htm
Posted by: booger on Jun 12, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Why do you all always quote the bible? Who cares what it says? I don't base my life on a fairy tale that was written over a thousand years ago.
Posted by: Listen on Jun 11, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Rather you believe it or not.Jesus is coming back soon.Get ready!!!
Posted by: Bruce on Jun 10, 2008 at 12:44 AM
Gay marriage.Lets see,this sounds familiar.Where have I heard this talk about banning gay marriage before....Oh yes I remember,four years ago.Well it seems the Republicans have taken this old topic off the shelve,dusted it off,and put it in the display case.Who can blame them,hey it works every time.Question.If you are a Republican politician,why would you get rid of one of the main things that gets you votes.Answer...you don't.You are being played.How does it feel?
Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 9, 2008 at 10:43 PM
King James himself did not translate the Bible. However, he did convene the committee who translated the Bible and gave them instructions on how to translate. The Bible was to meet certain standards set forth by King James. So, while King James did not actually do the physical translation he is responsible for what we read as the King James version of the Bible today. I don't doubt that Mr. Waite writes a very good and educational book; however, I would venture that a theologian is probably not the most objective on the history of the Bible
Posted by: I TOLD YOU SO... on Jun 9, 2008 at 08:16 PM
On June 3, the Democratic National Committee issued a 2008 Gay PRIDE proclamation supporting homosexual marriage. DNC Chairman Howard Dean and Representatives Barney Frank and Tammy Baldwin released the proclamation. Democrat=Homosexual activist.
Posted by: jennifer on Jun 9, 2008 at 04:02 PM
To American Voter: You are such a bigot. Your ignorant comments make me laugh. I would rather explain why two people love each other than have to explain why people are ignorant and intolerant. I have more respect for the gay community than I have for you. One day your hatred will come back to bite you. When it does I hope it helps you to realize that homosexuals are just like you...human.
Posted by: AMERICAN VOTER on Jun 9, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Yes im judging! do any of u people want your kids 2c 2 guys making out?! I do not like and quote me RAVING HOMOSEXUALS it is sick and twisted and I was horrified 2 read how some of u condone this get real!
Posted by: Jason on Jun 9, 2008 at 02:31 AM
Though, I do not personally believe in homosexuality as a sexual practice, it is not for me or anyone else to decide either. People for some reason become confused about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as foundation of USA. Why do people infringe on others rights? Ok here is an argument for all you bloggers. Marriage in itself is a religious ceremony. Thus, in saying so, there is a separation between church and state which would mean that a man and woman must not be recognized by any state in the union. This gay marriage issue will be seen as ignorant in the near future(20 years). This will be compared to blacks and women having rights. Ignorance is bliss.
Posted by: To April on Jun 8, 2008 at 05:41 PM
King James didn't tranlate the Bible. He was King of England when they translated it from the Westcott/Horte. Man, educate yourself and buy "Defending the King James Bible" by D.A. Waite, Th.D, Ph.D., and I know tons of celebate baptists. I would educate you more but it's time for church.
Posted by: Grammar Police on Jun 6, 2008 at 02:36 PM
I recommend that 90% of the people on these boards buy some type of grammar book: you're: you are their: That is their house there: I live there they're: they are
Posted by: Ashley on Jun 6, 2008 at 02:01 PM
To: Anonymous on Jun 6, 2008 at 09:03 AM. Obviously YOU do not understand how the Bible was translated. When it was translated into what we know as the KJV, King James did it for his own glory, not Gods. Further more, the translators were pressured into adding scripture dealing with witchcraft that does not appear in the Hebrew and Greek versions. Also, Hebrew and Greek words were frequently mistranslated, and words were added to verses to reflect certain things, purposefully. To believe the Bible is divine and inerrant is pure ignorance. As a woman who "knows" the Bible you would know best how some sins are included and excluded from out belief system. For instance: Many Baptist site John the Baptist as the reason for not drinking (he never "tasted of strong drink"). Yet, they ignore the fact that he also never had sex (I don't know any celebate Baptists, do you?). Please be careful with what you say, using your words to demean someone else is also a sin.
Posted by: TO: Drizzle on Jun 6, 2008 at 01:44 PM
I was taking up for the people against gay marriage (using the bible to back it up). Many verses were translated incorrectly and many translator entered thier own biases into the Bible. I was pointing out that the Bible is far from perfect and that people should try researching it before they start spouting from the mouth. For examply, the verse in leviticus was translated wrong. Please look it up, it doesn't refer to homosexuality in anyway. Please read my entire post before you start criticizing. I am on YOUR side!
Posted by: Jennifer on Jun 6, 2008 at 12:51 PM
To Anonymous on June 6, at 9:03 AM: Actually the Bible is not a book of facts but a book of a set of beliefs which is different from facts. No one has been able to prove or disprove the existence of God therefore it is a belief. So when you said that you "were just stating the facts," you were really just stating your beliefs.
Posted by: Jennifer on Jun 6, 2008 at 12:38 PM
To Anonymous on June6 at 6:59 AM: No the government is not forcing churches to marry same-sex couples. You are right about separation of church and state which protects religions from being interfered by the government and vice versa. Any religion has the right to perform or deny (its the churchs' choice) a marriage of same-sex couples. This overturning of the "defense of marriage act" would just allow the courts to perform same-sex marriage. In the court of law the definition of marriage is the recognition of two people who are committed to a life-long relationship to each other. This is because they cannot use the religious definition of marriage because it violates the the Free Establishment Clause which prohibits the government from enforcing religion upon the people of the United States. I hope this helps to clear it up for you.
Posted by: MIKE on Jun 6, 2008 at 11:45 AM
PEOPLE!!!!!!!!! IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS!!! NEVER EVER WILL IT.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 6, 2008 at 09:03 AM
To those who actively study their Bible, April obviously doesn't study HOW the bible was translated, Brenda, what on earth kind of Bible are you reading? You're going to have to show me the scriptures that approved same-sex relationships. I am a Christian and I falter, fail and sin on a daily basis but I repent and try to never do it again. I don't use my sin as a crutch to gain approval and acceptance. Someone may have tendencies to be attracted to the same sex but it's what you CHOOSE to do with it that makes it a sin. You can try to ignore the Bible all you want but you will stand before the White Throne of Judgement and I as a Christian will stand at the Judgement Seat of Christ. (two different things). We Christians aren't judging, we're just stating facts before it's too late for your souls.
Posted by: Jennifer on Jun 6, 2008 at 06:59 AM
To Answer: Before you can teach right from wrong you have to decide or judge what is right or wrong. So yeah you are judging. And I don't think God is going to punish you for "allowing" what you judge to be wrong, he only punishes you yourself for "doing" wrong.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 6, 2008 at 02:29 AM
So when these states' courts approve gay marriage, are they forcing the churches to marry homosexuals? I'm not that familiar with how it works, but it seems like THAT would be a violation of the separation of church and state...
Posted by: Susie on Jun 6, 2008 at 01:43 AM
okay so people.. i am a lesbian first of all. and the only difference in gay and straight relationships is the gender..the love i share with my girlfriend is nothing different from the love everyone else shares with a man. we love each other and are extremely happy.. does the fact that we're happy matter to n e one?? everyone is soo set in their ways, which is back in the old days where things we only as they were told to be. no one lived their own lives and done what they wanted. it's not the same n e more ppl. times have changed and the only thing that should matter is is people happy in their relationships.. not does everyone approve of it?? well of course no one is goin to approve if they're straight. god judges u for u not for what other ppl do. god isn't goin to judge u for gay ppl in ur neighborhood. he's goin to judge us the same as he judges u. get over it. grow up and get with the new generation of live. it's called happiness ppl..
Posted by: Ray on Jun 6, 2008 at 12:42 AM
Some are misinterpreting "Judge not lest thee be judged." This verse is not forbidding judgment of others, it is reminding the person that as they judge, so too will the be judged. Although God alone is the Judge, this does not mean that only God judges. In fact, the Word of God says that God enables man to judge, commands man to judge, and is pleased with those who seek to judge righteously. "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." (John 7:24). "But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother." (II Thessalonians 3:13-15).
Posted by: Buckeye on Jun 6, 2008 at 12:06 AM
To I Believe in Reason: You completely missed my point. I sometimes forget and assume people put Santa Clause and Satan in the same category like I do.
Posted by: Brenda on Jun 6, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Hey Terry, God made Adam and Eve true. But Eve came from a male bone so she was the first transexual. God made a male female. If you study your Bible you will see several same sex relationships that lasted for years, until one person died. So that tells me that diversity is okay. God just wants us to love , care and respect each other and NOT to JUDGE.
Posted by: Jennifer on Jun 5, 2008 at 11:55 PM
To Cult: The Constitution of the United States protects religion from being interfered with my the government therefore you are able to form any opinion you wish based upon your religion of choice. However, the Constitution of the United States also prohibits the government from enforcing religion or religious ideas onto the people therefore the government cannot use the Bible's definition of a marriage, nor the belief that homosexuality is a sin to discriminate against the people of the United States. So legally your opinion doesn't hold up in a court of law when it comes to equal rights of all the US citizens. Homosexuals must be able to have the same rights as married couples such as tax breaks, healthcare, child custody, etc. If a religion wants to deny a marriage of homosexuals then they have the right to do so but it is unconstitutional to deny homosexuals of the benefits provided by being married. If you disagree with the Constitution then move somewhere that doesn't have one.
Posted by: RoaneCo. on Jun 5, 2008 at 10:51 PM
So I did take some of these harsh comments "out of context". It sure looked like judging to me. But thank you for the answer. Now I see why so many of you want to push religion. You worship a god that is going to judge you for the action of others instead of your own faith just because you failed as a teacher of right and wrong. Let me make sure I'm clear on this.... I'm a fine christian that follows the bible. My neighbor across the street is gay. My 13 year old cousin was raped and had an abortion. I die. God judges me to be a bad teacher. I'm going to hell. Oh and what about all the christians that voted for Bush? His vice president has a daughter that is part of the family. So that means you christians elected a person who has a V.P. that supports gays. Looks like this hell place you keep talking about is really going to be crowded.
Posted by: Answer on Jun 5, 2008 at 09:12 PM
Christians are not judging that is up to God. It's up to us to teach right and wrong, it's in the bible. If we allow such things as gay marriage and abortions then God will judge us for it.
Posted by: gay pride on Jun 5, 2008 at 06:31 PM
I BELIVE WHEN U MARRY SOMEONE U LOVE THEM RIGHT NO MATTER IF THERE BLACK, WHITE OR RICH OR POOR SO WHY SHOULD SOMEONE BE DENIED THE RIGHT THAT OTHER GET PEOPLE THAT ARE GAY AND MARRIED STAY TOGETHER A LOT LONGER THEN STRIGHT PEOPLE
Posted by: Pop on Jun 5, 2008 at 04:48 PM
I'm also sick of them pushing the homosexual agenda on TV too. I start liking a tv show and then they feel the need to have a "gay" character. I simply change the channel and find something else. It grosses me out to see two men or two women even kissing.
Posted by: RoaneCo. on Jun 5, 2008 at 03:56 PM
I have a question for all you fine so called christians. Why are you folks the first to judge people? Isn't that the job of your god? If you people believe so strongly in your bible and its teachings, I would think you might want to stop making such comments because you may just be condemning yourself to your so called hell. Or maybe, just maybe I have taken your comments "out of context".
Posted by: Drizzle on Jun 5, 2008 at 03:52 PM
To April: Mark 10:21 "Sell all that you have and give it to the poor." Have you done that yet? I'd be willing to bet that you don't adhere to Old Testament Jewish dietary law. Eat pork? Shrimp? You probably even wear fabrics made of more than one kind of fiber. Cotton/Polyester blend anyone? Abomination!
Posted by: Drizzle on Jun 5, 2008 at 03:11 PM
Jim is right. This is just an attempt by the Republicans to pack the polls with Christofascists at election time. CULT and several others cut from the same cloth are apparently so irrational and paranoid one wonders if they have run out of medication.
Posted by: Pablo on Jun 5, 2008 at 02:39 PM
I see the self-called "Christians" are once again judging others. How great they must be that the Lord gives them the authority to judge others. As they cast their "first stone" I wonder if they remember what Jesus said, "Judge not, lest ye be judged."
Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 5, 2008 at 01:43 PM
I say that all marriages that were not performed by a religious leader should be reclassified as civil unions. I would gladly change my heterosexual “marriage” to a civil union. We were married by a small town mayor, in a beautiful outdoor ceremony, and no one's god had anything to do with it. If it could be renamed, then I wouldn’t have to be loosely affiliated with you ignorant bible thumpers. Dear Jesus, save me from your followers. Amen.
Posted by: Cathy on Jun 5, 2008 at 01:08 PM
Totally against recognizing gay marriage. I hope the Governor calls the special session and this one is passed. We need to stand up for what is right regardless of it is popular.
Posted by: MK on Jun 5, 2008 at 12:54 PM
We need to ban gay marriages now. If we allow the gays to marry, then what? The pervs will want to marry their livestock (you get the picture). If you gay folks want to get married, move to Calinornia or one of those other left wing liberal states that allow this perversion.
Posted by: Homosapian on Jun 5, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Wow, I'm not shocked by the comments on here, but I am a bit appalled. Perhaps this is one reason why I'm taking my masters degree and getting the heck out of West Virginia. It seems that the majority of people on here are hiding behind God and the Bible - insisting that they know what is right and wrong. I am the son of a minister, and I was taught that being gay was wrong. I realized early on, however, that I was gay. So, I lived a childhood and adolescent in fear, depression, and loneliness because I thought my own family wouldn't accept me for who I was. For everyone who believes that being gay is a choice, I hope you have a gay son or daughter one day. That's what happened to my mom and dad.
Posted by: April on Jun 5, 2008 at 12:08 PM
I actively study the Bible. It might interest some of you Bible thumpers to know that some of the scriptures you are quoting were translated wrong, not to mention the translators added to and subtracted from many of these verses to suit their own beliefs. I don't know, is reaearching to find the truth wrong too?
Posted by: Ashley on Jun 5, 2008 at 12:05 PM
I'm not sure why God is holding a judgement day at some point in time. Clearly, there are more than enough judges here. I think the Bible specifically preaches against bigotry.
Posted by: Ashley on Jun 5, 2008 at 12:01 PM
To Jim>> Thank you for realizing this! So many have missed the point. Too often we fall for political games and this is just one of them. Do these issues really matter? ABSOLUTELY NOT! We have bigger problems... like a war no one wants to be in, the failing dollar, the housing crisis. Wake up people!
Posted by: To CULT on Jun 5, 2008 at 11:57 AM
You are an idiot. Please read your Bible. It says, "Your righteousness is as filthy rags", and "there is none righteous, not one. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." You are also a sinner and though you may not believe it you sin everyday. No where in the Bible does it say that being homosexual is the sin of all sins. Actually, according to the Bible the sin of all sins is denouncing Jesus. God doesn't rate sin. Man did that. So if you would like to kick all the sinners out of church, go ahead. Make sure you include the smokers, those who cuss, anyone who gossips, and most importantly, those who do not love their neighbors as themselves (I think that includes you). Please get off your moral high horse (I hope you get kicked) and let God do the judging. He's much better at it than you.
Posted by: Garrison on Jun 5, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Like I always say, you can't teach a gay dog new tricks.
Posted by: John on Jun 5, 2008 at 10:38 AM
I have read all the bible thumpers and their view on this subject. If you want to use God and the bible to defend your viewpoint, then let me ask you THIS- Do YOU follow the bible to the letter? You know, only eat fish on Friday, so forth? Didn't think so. So if you are not going by what it says, how do you justisfy anything else? You can't have it both ways, either you follow it to the letter or you take from it what you want and use it how you see fit. Funny how the bible is used in this issue for a defense as to why it should not be allowed, when those same people who decry it, don't follow the bible themselves. Seems like a hypocritical line of logic ....
Posted by: TO: JENNIFER on Jun 5, 2008 at 10:22 AM
Jennifer- I still stand firm on my comment. What goes on in their bedroom doesn't effect me UNTIL they bring it out of the bedroom and try to make me recognize it as normal and give them the O.K to marry then IT IS my business and I WILL NOT approve!!
Posted by: Terry on Jun 5, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Just remember one thing.....God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
Posted by: Joe on Jun 5, 2008 at 10:06 AM
I dont think anyone should be biggoted toward gays. Sometimes doctors have to decide sex at child birth and make the wrong call. I thing sometimes babies are born in the gray area between male and female. If we start persecuting in the name of religion, we are no better than the crazy muslims who knocked our buildings down. For once in my life I agree with Jennifer. Now if I can just get her not to vote for Obama.
Posted by: James on Jun 5, 2008 at 10:02 AM
When a person is born with both sex organs they are called hermaphrodites,now the DRs. ask the parent what they should do.In the past the DRs.would make the decision and parents most time had no knowledge of it.It is estimated 1 out of 200,000 are born this way,maybe more but not recorded.So if some one is born this way,what sex are they and who would they desire for a mate?When babies are born with 2 heads and 1 body are they 1 or 2 souls?how bout other conjoined people are they ok to marry?
Posted by: CINDY on Jun 5, 2008 at 09:39 AM
JUDGE NOT, LEST THY BE JUDGED!! I AM AMAZED AT THE HYPOCRISY AND HATRED OF SOME "PROFESSED CHRISTIANS" WHO FEEL THE NEED TO PASS JUDGMENT ON OTHERS!!! WHO GAVE YOU THE TASK OF PASSING JUDGMENT? WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU ARE QUALIFIED? IF WE LOOKED TO OUR OWN TRANSGRESSIONS, THAT WOULD KEEP US ALL BUSY! YOU PROFESS TO BE A CHRISTIAN? THEN HOW ABOUT TRYING TO EMULATE CHRIST INSTEAD OF BORROWING GOD'S JUDGMENT CHAIR!!!! GOD SAVE ME FROM YOUR FOLLOWERS!!!
Posted by: Peacemaker on Jun 5, 2008 at 09:31 AM
Being homosexual is a sin. It was the only sin God got off his throne for. It is not normal. There is no justification. I have a brother who is gay, whom i love dearly but I know that if he does not give his heart to the Lord and let the Lord change & heal him, not only will he go to hell for eternity, but he will never be brought from the dark to the light. He will not know the the LOVE of the Lord. I do not stay away from my brother or preach at him, i just love him like i'm supposed to. He knows my stand on the matter. He dosen't like it but he knows it. All i can do is be the light. When he does heed to the Lords convicting spirit he will know that his sister even though she did not agree or accept his lifestyle will be there for him to help him in his new walk in the Lord. All because i never was mean or ignored him. I believe in his heart my brother knows moraly he is wrong. He just tries to justify it. Jesus never condemned anyone, convict yes but not condemned. There is HOPE.
Posted by: And the LORD said: on Jun 5, 2008 at 09:01 AM
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. (Lev. 18:22) "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely by put to death." (Lev. 20:13). "For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Rom. 1:26, 27) CLEAR AS A BELL!
Posted by: I Believe In Reason on Jun 5, 2008 at 07:54 AM
As I glanced at the comments being made, I noticed that all the negative ones seem to mention god or personal religious beliefs as their rationale. One person even invoked Satan as a more likely reason for gays than biological disposition. Not being a homosexual myself, I dont know what its like to be in their shoes. I do know that they probably dont like to be called names or have their BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS violated. I also would like to think that they feel that the US Constitution protects them and their right to life,liberty, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I'd say marrying the one you love is involved pretty heavily in your pursuit of happiness. For anyone of homosexual inclination out there I say this: Do not let people like these get you down. There are those of us who fight for you and believe in your cause. And to all the religious fanatics out there, heres a few tidbits: The Earth is more than 6000 yrs old. God is not real and does not exist. The Bible is a propaganda book of lies
Posted by: ann on Jun 5, 2008 at 07:10 AM
amen for that post can it be made any clearer?
Posted by: Jennifer on Jun 5, 2008 at 07:02 AM
To CULT: you are the epitome of bigotry! You are probably not on God's "Prayers Answered" list. I don't know what church you attend but I want to make sure that I never attend it. Your little rant was hateful and unchristian like. Jesus and God are accepting to those who praise him. Geez! Remove your blinders and leave the judging to the Lord. What goes on in their bedroom doesn't effect you at all. You would like to believe it does but it doesn't. Disrespect to your fellow human beings is disrespect to the Lord and everything he represents even though humans sometimes don't reflect the teachings of the Lord. And what makes you think you are so perfect? You portray yourself as if you were Jesus Christ himself but instead you radiate ignorance and intolerance! May God judge you for who you really are... a hypocrite, a bigot, and a false representation of God's word! You have no experience as a gay individual so stop acting as if you know what makes them attracted to the same sex!
Posted by: April on Jun 5, 2008 at 01:21 AM
1Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1Cor 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1Cor 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 5, 2008 at 12:55 AM
God made Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve!
Posted by: CULT on Jun 5, 2008 at 12:30 AM
People are not born gay! Stop saying that. It's just an excuse you use and I don't believe it and the same goes for God. Those of you that say your a gay Christian and go to church, well I hate to inform you but your not attending a church your in a cult! A church is God's house and in God's home there are no gays. Gay people can not be Christians. When you become a Christian you don't live a life of sin. Your supposed to be changed. Of course the "cult" your in isn't going to tell you this.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 5, 2008 at 12:17 AM
We have the right to either except,reject or live with certain things and this is one topic that is very controversial. But I have had a few friends in my life that profess to be Gay and if they were they were wonderfully passionate about people and their problems. God uses people in all sorts of situations. He loves these people too. He died that we might find forgiveness. Our sins are no different,one is no worse than the other it is up to each and everyone to have that personal relationship with Him and he will let them know,we don't have to tell them only love their soul. And I guess this could tie into what the VP said about West Virginian's Yes I can forgive him but he should clean out his own closet before making such statements.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 5, 2008 at 12:10 AM
BAN GAY MARRIAGES IT'S WRONG! A MARRIAGE IS SUPPOSE TO BE BETWEEN A MAN & WOMAN NOT MAN & MAN OR WOMAN & WOMAN.
Posted by: Jim on Jun 5, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Most people are missing the point about why the redumblicans are doing this. With Hillary Clinton's powerful showing in the primary, the democrats are on their way to taking back this state from the evilness of voting for republican presidents. The redumblicans think if they get this issue going again it will bring more people out to vote for John McLame in November. Wake up they don't really care about gay marriage this is just a tool to get more people out to vote for the redumblicans. And most are ignorant enough to allow this to happen.
Posted by: Buckeye on Jun 4, 2008 at 09:56 PM
Tell me which is more likely, Satan made me act this way or let's say that homosexuality is genetic and someone has a predisposition for it, but only when exposed to particular hormonal levels. If these hormonal levels are developed, then this person would be genetically incline to behave in a homosexual manner. However, if these hormonal levels are not developed because of other genetic factors, then this person would not be inclined to homosexual behavior, but they could pass this predisposition on the the next generation. This could explain how obviously heterosexual parents could give birth to children with a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, and it could explain how someone could develop a change in sexual behavior during their lifetime if their hormonal levels changed. In addition, this predisposition to homosexuality would have to have a positive effect on survival or reproduction when hormonal levels prevent it from expressing its homosexual inclination.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 4, 2008 at 09:40 PM
I wish they would let the general public vote on this topic. Banning gay marriage would be passed in a heartbeat.
Posted by: Virginia on Jun 4, 2008 at 09:21 PM
Gay marriage needs to be banned. No reason, no explaination, just a simple statement..."Ban gay marriage".
Posted by: Drizzle on Jun 4, 2008 at 07:22 PM
We should have legally recognized civil marriages for everyone with the same rights, benefits and responsibilities for all. Religious bodies could then conduct religious marriages or not as they choose. I don't give a hoot whether your religion recognizes my relationship or not. My religion is fine with it. The state has no business enshrining discrimination into the constitution.
Posted by: WVMOM on Jun 4, 2008 at 07:19 PM
I am so afraid for our country.We have become so immoral that the line between right and wrong has blurred.I am a Christian and I will not judge anyone for being gay, cheating on their spouse,or committing any other immoral act.However;I will not condone it either!I pray everyday for our wonderful country.I pray for people to see what is wrong here.When we become so corrupt and immoral, we will fall.Allowing sin to openly occur is not wise.We as a society condone too many wrong things to be politically correct or to avoid a lawsuit.I personally hate the term alternative lifestyle.It is not an alternative if you are born gay is it?You cant have it both ways.I also don't think it should be taught to our children that it is ok or normal because it is not.Teach your children to love God and to pray for those who are lost to be found.Be kind, understanding without judging.Pray that this country will change.I say let WVians vote on it.
Posted by: Tony on Jun 4, 2008 at 07:10 PM
I notice you have appropriated the propoganada term "efining traditional marriage" from the wingnut Christofascists. Funny, I though you were a journalistic enterprise, but clearly I was wrong. Give my love to your corporate overlords.
Posted by: Claude on Jun 4, 2008 at 04:43 PM
Gay people, well, gay people are EVIL. Evil right down to their cold black hearts which pump not blood like yours or mine, but rather--a thick, vomitous oil that oozes through their rotten veins and clots in their pea-sized brains; which becomes the cause of their Nazi-esque patterns of violent behavior.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 4, 2008 at 03:37 PM
hey another comment and i hope you so-called "normal people" thnk about this one ---- don't tell me who to love and i won't tell you where to go!!!!!!!
Posted by: TO: Anonymous on Jun 3, 2008 at 12:01 PM on Jun 4, 2008 at 02:58 PM
"Typical close minded West Virginians. And we wonder why the rest of the country thinks we are inbred and racist." ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?? The reason people think we are "inbred and racist" is because of people like you that put comments on here that doesn't support WV!!! THE REASON "MOST" True WVians are against this is because we believe in old fashion family values and in GOD and HIS WORD.! We are not "close minded" we are true AMERICANS and honest hard working people with a lot of RESPECT for the Bible and the word it teaches us. I would hope as a WVian, you would support what 90% of your state believes. If we are so close-minded, then go to somewhere, where they could care less about their family values and their religion.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 4, 2008 at 02:56 PM
all of you "so called christians" have you read in the bible, "judge not", so how do you hypocrites play GOD and judge other people??? i want to see this answer!!!! love and let GOD take care of the rest, IT IS NOT YOUR DUTY OR PRIVILEGE TO JUDGE!!sorry to shoot your bubble, but stop and think--does GOD want me to play HIS role??? DOUBT IT!! GOD created love for our neighbor not to be judgemental and cruel to others just because you think you are right. i don't hate or judge straight or gay or black or native americans, NOT MY JOB!! GOD can take care of that. so pray for our neighbor, kids, loved ones, drug addiction, alcoholics, sexual offenders,etc. the rest i give to my higher power the LORD!!!!!! STOP AND THINK ABOUT IT "CHRISTIANS".
Posted by: Ash on Jun 4, 2008 at 02:44 PM
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that homosexuality condemns you to hell. The Bible does explicitly state that it is a sin. Smoking is also a sin. It violate the teaching that "your body is a temple, keep it holy". So if you die and never renounce smoking, are you going to hell? You see, God doesn't have a ratings scale for sin, in his eyes sin is sin. Man engineered the moral rating scale. Can you justify that?
Posted by: proud on Jun 4, 2008 at 02:41 PM
i have a question, what can a gay couple do to a marriage that "straight" people haven't already done???? my partner and i hav ebeen together for nearly 12 years, we have never cheated on each other and we have raised 5 productive children-- just to remind you they are "straight"-- we have 2 nurses,a construction worker,a sophmore in high school who has already filled out for college in denver colorado, and a 5th grader who is a straight "A" student-- have we gone wtong some where?? we are always there for our children!!! they know about alternative lifestyles, as does their friends and ther parents. i wish you "normal" people could live in our house for just 2 days to see that we are a family---and NO, not every gay couple are faithful, and that is what gives us a bad rep. what goes on behid my bedroom doors stays there, unlike MANY, MANY straight couples. so, what is it going to hurt to let two people who are in love, celebrate that?????? people wake up!!!!
Posted by: And going... on Jun 4, 2008 at 02:20 PM
Still talking to buck>> Yes, I think it has occured to a lot of people that there sexual preference is not "natural". That's why most have had a very difficult time coming to terms with it. No one just wakes up and says, "I think I'm going to be gay!" No one would choose to go through the things some of these men and women have endured from bigots. My question for you is: Where do you get off being on such a high moral horse that you are allowed to press your beliefs on them? I mean, has a gay person ever come up to you and forced you to participate in his or her life or lifestyle? As for your disease theory, you should know that it is completely unfounded. Personally, I'm a heterosexual female who denounces political affiliation (because of things like this) and am also a Christian. I just don't believe in judging others.
Posted by: Opposition on Jun 4, 2008 at 02:08 PM
To buck>> Where do I begin? First off, yes it is difficult to explain to children. However, if you don't introduce your child to your bias this will not be difficult. Second, no, genetically, homosexuality is not natural. However, it is found in every species on this planet. You can take that up with God. While raising a child with a female and male role model is considered optimum, there are many single parents out there doing a heck of a job, shoudl we take their kids away because the other parent didn't keep their end of the deal? I was not aware that placing children in a loving adoptive homosexual home was preferable to shuffling a child around in unstable, potentially abusive foster homes. As for disease, I'm assuming you are referring to STD's. Which are just as rampant in the hetero community (I think something like 80% of everyone who is sexually active has or has had an STD), so please, update you information from 1970.
Posted by: Edie on Jun 4, 2008 at 01:55 PM
to Buck on what to tell your kids when they ask why 2 men or women are holding hands and kissing tell them they are doing the same thing that any couple does when they are in love or dating. Come on people wake up!! I don't know why we as a society have to label people. You fall in love with who you fall in love with. It doesn't matter if you are gay or straight. And every loving couple should be able to adopt a child. Your and everyone else who think like you are the disgusting ones. Marriage is between 2 people who love each other and want to commit themselves to having a life together thats it plain and simple. And to all of you who quote the Bible, get off it. I honestly believe that God could care less who you love as long as you love.
Posted by: Enough! on Jun 4, 2008 at 01:48 PM
At this point, I'm not really sure why God is going to hold judgement day when we so clearly have ample amount of judgement down here. Why don't you try reading your Bible. Remember these two verses: "Judge not lest you be judged", and "he who is without sin cast the first stone". People take a page from your own book! Personally, I just don't think it's my place to judge those who are homosexual. I think that regardless of whether you call it marriage or a civil union, they should still be getting the same financial, parental, beneficial, and marital rights a traditional heterosexual couple gets. One last question: How in the heck is marriage still so "sacred" when the divorce rate is nearly 50%? What's sacred about 50/100 failure rate?If you want to talk about marriage, start there. Furthermore, when was the last time you knew someone who got married or had sex for the express purpose of procreation??? Cause I don't know ANYONE that self-righteous!
Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 4, 2008 at 01:28 PM
God gave us free will. Free will means making your own choices. If God wanted us to make only His choices he wouldn't have given us free will. Science has proven that people who are gay are born that way. They didn't wake up and say "I'll be gay" anymore than I woke up and said "I'll be straight". There are a host of physiological differences between homesexuals and heterosexuals. I recommend educating yourselves on the issue before you pass judgement on other people. And for those who were toting the Bible as your main source, doesn't the Bible also tell us not to be judgmental? 95% of these comments are judgemental! Maybe you should practice what your preach. Buck, your comment about disease was incredibly offensive. Your implication that anyone who is gay has a disease is so off base that I can't even comprehend that kind of thinking.
Posted by: John on Jun 4, 2008 at 01:22 PM
Let them move to France if they wish to get married. If its not allowed there, why are we even considering it.
Posted by: Corey on Jun 4, 2008 at 01:08 PM
Buck, would you rather see a child suffer with no parents and tossed throughout the foster care system than to have two parents who love them and would do anything for them? Evidently. How sad for you. Yo